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To: tomsbartoo
But how would you know if his corrections don't get reported? I mean, the "Who am I to judge?" quote wasn't even out there for one news cycle before it was pointed out that, in context, Pope Francis was talking about a person who had repented. Did that correction EVER get 1/1,000th of the coverage of the original carefully-snipped snippet? And that snippet is still being stretched to SuperSize and unfurled from the high flagpoles as a kind of all-purpose antinomian banner --- even by FReepers.
12 posted on 12/28/2014 4:14:53 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I find it extremely interesting that so many on this forum root for the downfall of the Catholic Church. We indeed do have our faults. However, if the evil that is now congregating succeeds in bringing down the Church the attendees of generic Rev. Feelgood Bible Thumpers of the Week will have to take all the heat and I know they are not prepared to do that.

Also as an aside. If the Church ceases to be, then I will cease to be a Christian as that would mean that Jesus was a fraud and everything he told us was falsehood.

It also seems ludicrous at the moment that all forces gather against us, rather than the Muslims and atheists. Interesting times we live in.

20 posted on 12/29/2014 4:46:21 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here’s a man who appears to have allowed the world to believe that the primary role of the pope is not to bring all men to salvation, but to advance a progressive agenda that greatly pleases the media––a media who his apologists claim are completely misquoting the pontiff and misleading people as to what his real beliefs and teachings actually are. Perhaps, and maybe things are not really what they appear to be; but it seems to me that his most recent pronouncement on global warming simply confirms where his head actually is. When the Protestants, the atheists and the media happily salute his flag, I believe it is foolish to ignore these signs as not being warnings.

Nevertheless, if I correctly understand the direction that papal apologists want those of us who question this very confusing Catholic teaching to pursue, it is to virtually ignore what we are actually hearing, and to imagine that he really means something different that is either being ignored or misquoted. That is unreasonable. It is simply too difficult to accept the argument that Pope Francis actually has corrected the great many supposed misquotes and that they simply not being reported.

That is not to say that there have not been some misquotes and misattributions (as there always is) because, clearly, we have read of those. And when the Vatican complained, those complaints were addressed and reported immediately. The animals in heaven thing is one that comes to mind, but there have been others as well. But was his request of the UN that they pursue global warming a misquote? That is Francis! His zeal for spreading the wealth as he has said so often is Francis too. Those aren’t misquotes, and that is what the concern has been.

For a pope to see what is happening to the Catholic Church and continue to pursue the secular causes that so please the media is not the role of the pope. Anyone who has run even a small organization at one time or another recognizes that one will only achieve a successful result when they address the organization’s problems and take steps to correct them. Ignoring them, as this pope is doing, and then playing to the progressive left and the media with his modernist positions on homosexual behavior and Communion for the divorced/remarried is a disastrous policy.

Unfortunately, he is the pope good or bad. St Athanasius had his Liberius and other Catholics had to endure popes like Stephen VI, Urban VI and others. I guess those of us who believe that the traditional Catholic Church is the one true Church, and the modernist schemes that were unveiled during the Second Vatican Council are evil, will have to endure as well.


22 posted on 12/29/2014 7:32:48 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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