Posted on 12/22/2014 4:04:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind
I don`t know if any one would call me a Christian or not Because I have done so many stupid things that a Christian would not be seen as doing but I believe Jesus in lord.
Torture is opposite of a Christian thing.
Jesus said do unto others as you would have them do unto you, who in their right mind would want some one to torture them?
I can not see any way that I could deliberately torcher any one
Isaiah 53:4-5
“4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. “
Known terrorist = culpable aggressor = culpable bystander = prescient Deity.
More an absurdly impossible hypothetical rather than a thought experiment.
Well, they did nail Him to a cross.
I think a more relevant question would be; If somebody were holding you kid or grandkid and their life were at risk, would you use torture to save them... Of course the answer is yes.
Do the ends justify the means, or, are the means (torture) always wrong?
Torture to extract confessions is notoriously unreliable, but what about gathering verifiable information? If the person were a known terrorist that had killed innocents, and had information regarding future attacks on more innocents...
The author forgets a few things.
Jesus WAS tortured.
Also, to equate waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and loud Rock Music to the tortures of the 1st Century Roman Empire, or the Nazis, Or the Soviets, or of ISLAMIC Terrorists is a typical liberal manipulation known as “Moral Equivalency”
FTR, I have experienced something similar to waterboarding, and it is bad, but not nearly as bad as having my fingernails pulled out.
dilemma for the libtards.
they don’t want middle easterners “tortured” but they love persecuting Christians and Christ himself.
There is a constant neo Marxist effort to cast Jesus as anti roman and a proto anarchist.
But Jesus affirmed the roman soldier as having the greatest faith in all of Israel. He had a tax collector as disciple. Jesus was not the wide eyed proto Marxist radical who hates American soldiers and police officers.
Jesus was angry and confrontational with the conventional manipulative moralists of his day— the Pharisees. I think that is the politically correct class of our modern era.
Jesus had ample and clear opportunities to condemn capital punishment and other state discretions. He did not and regularly affirmed such capacities.
Umm. Augustus died about 15 years before Jesus started his ministry.
Jesus freely gave up His information. There was no need to torture Him except that it was part of that execution technique as a way to save time.
Jesus had ample and clear opportunities to condemn capital punishment and other state discretions. He did not and regularly affirmed such capacities.
Do the ends justify the means, or, are the means (torture) always wrong?
I can easily see killing some one to save some ones
life but torturing some one for information they may or may not have I just don`t know.
I don`t think I will have to worry about it because there are many people who do not believe as I do.
Also, to equate waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and loud Rock Music to the tortures of the 1st Century Roman Empire, or the Nazis, Or the Soviets, or of ISLAMIC Terrorists is a typical liberal manipulation known as “Moral Equivalency”
Would it have been ok for the paki government to torture some one who had guilty knowledge which might have prevented the murder of 148 students and teachers.
One of the more shallow articles I’ve ever read. And the example of Jesus and Augustus (ignoring the historical impossibility) is so patronizingly insipid words fail me.
Torture for the sake of viciousness or even punishment is not the same as a very limited procedure used to acquire vital information about real threats. Thousands or even millions may die if you do not get the information. Or even getting information on the organization which carried out mass murders so you can prevent future situations.
As for Jesus, he was no terrorist.
Evil torture is raping and killing someone in front of family members. It is beheading someone on video for the world to see and fear. It is abducting children and selling them into slavery or forcing them to marry some terrorist slime-ball. Etc. There is a difference.
There is a difference.
As left that other site said: the kind of torture they use today, waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and loud Rock Music is nothing compared to how they used to do it.
So a lot would depend on ones definition of torture the dictionary would be all but useless.
Also, to equate waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and loud Rock Music to the tortures of the 1st Century Roman Empire, or the Nazis, Or the Soviets, or of ISLAMIC Terrorists is a typical liberal manipulation known as “Moral Equivalency”>>>>>>>>>
I agree on that part.
Jesus WAS tortured.>>>>>>>
I fail to see how that has any thing to do with it.
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