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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Funny, don’t recall any mention of these “montrances” in the early church. “

there is also no mention of an organ,gas furnace, ciborium, stained glass windows, steeples, ....lots of things aren't mentioned....but there was an actual description of the sacraments such as the Eucharist (THIS IS MY BODY) and you concern yourself with a decorative piece of gold ornamentation....how very odd where your emphasis is...

3,649 posted on 12/29/2014 12:39:21 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
there is also no mention of an organ,gas furnace, ciborium, stained glass windows, steeples, ....

yeah and those things are worshipped/venerated or whatever word you use for this either.

3,650 posted on 12/29/2014 12:41:23 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: terycarl

” Funny, don’t recall any mention of these “montrances” in the early church. “

“there is also no mention of an organ,gas furnace, ciborium, stained glass windows, steeples, ....lots of things aren’t mentioned....but there was an actual description of the sacraments such as the Eucharist (THIS IS MY BODY) and you concern yourself with a decorative piece of gold ornamentation....how very odd where your emphasis is... “

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Idolatry is always sinful in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Syncretism is always sinful in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Paganism in all forms is always sinful in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Ritual substituted for heart and obedience is always wrong in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Adding to Scripture is always wrong in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Substituting tradition for inspired Scripture is always wrong in a group that claims the name of Christ.
Obscuring the glorious Gospel of Grace is always wrong in a group that claims the name of Christ.


3,651 posted on 12/29/2014 12:57:09 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: terycarl; aMorePerfectUnion
there is also no mention of an organ,gas furnace, ciborium, stained glass windows, steeples, ....lots of things aren't mentioned....but there was an actual description of the sacraments such as the Eucharist (THIS IS MY BODY) and you concern yourself with a decorative piece of gold ornamentation....how very odd where your emphasis is...

How very odd, though typical, that you don't even know what the word "Eucharist" means! HINT...it is NOT "this is my body".

The Greek noun εὐχαριστία (eucharistia), meaning "thanksgiving", is not used in the New Testament as a name for the rite, however, the related verb is found in New Testament accounts of the Last Supper, including the earliest such account:

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me". (1 Corinthians 11:23-24)

The term "Eucharist" (thanksgiving) is that by which the rite is referred by the Didache (late 1st or early 2nd century), Ignatius of Antioch (who died between 98 and 117) and Justin Martyr (writing between 147 and 167http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist

3,803 posted on 12/29/2014 6:53:16 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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