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To: annalex

Then how on earth could you have any standing to criticize them, and their teachings -- if there be no interest in what was being taught by these whom you label "charlatans", how those things were being spoken of by men such as these and yet others --- how that may compare favorably or unfavorably with what the RCC of those eras can be seen to have taught --- oh -- and how not only things were taught -- but how those things were then internalized and understood to be, in practice, by the people who were taught whichever wordings were employed?

Wycliffe was not ignorant, nor were any of the others which I mentioned.

Being that as it may, in that they were correct enough --- the real issue I was driving towards was that these same men (and their views) were often condemned by the RCC for views they held in regards to the Lord's Supper.

Which means --- that the RCC was wrong when they condemned the various propositions, and/or so-called "Protestant" views or expressions associated with this issue (when those were not limited to merely memorial Zwinglian-like understanding, perhaps)

1,815 posted on 12/18/2014 8:43:54 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: BlueDragon
how on earth could you have any standing to criticize them, and their teachings

I have a basic understanding of Protestant dogmas: salvation by faith alone and faith obtained through Bible alone. Both are demonstrably and biblically false. I, of course, was asked to read and comment on a number of Protestant writings. So I am familiar with the theology they invented, I just have no interest in it, since the foundation is false.

these same men (and their views) were often condemned by the RCC for views they held in regards to the Lord's Supper.

The condemnable view here is that the Holy Eucharist is purely symbolic and no real presence of Christ occurs in it. As to the statement that the Holy Eucharist is food that benefits our spirit, that is a true statement regardless who utters it. It is right in the scripture.

2,025 posted on 12/18/2014 7:53:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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