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To: CynicalBear; metmom; terycarl; NYer; Salvation

Your statement that I haven’t read your post is not truthful, just your opinion.

Just like your opinions on Catholic teachings. They are just your opinions.

I will excerpt a summary from a book by a former atheist and Protestant Devin Rose: The Protestant’s Dilemma

Because Catholicism is true,

Christians can know divine revelation, as distinct from mere human opinion, because God protects it from authoritatively teaching anything that is false.

How is the Catholic’s judgment different from a Protestant’s, if at all? The difference lies in the conclusion, or finishing point, of the inquiry they make. Whereas the Protestant can ultimately submit only to his own judgment, which he knows to be fallible, the Catholic can confidently render total assent to the proclamations of the visible Church that Christ established and guides, submitting his judgments to its judgments as to Christ’s.

And so a Catholic can know divine revelation, as distinct from human opinion, by looking to the Church, which speaks with Christ’s voice and cannot lie. For a Protestant, only the Bible itself contains God’s infallibly inspired words, so he desires to assent to that. But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it. And assenting to yourself is no assent at all.

The Protestant’s Dilemma

If Protestantism is true, all are fallible. So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church. And the orthodoxy of the church itself is judged against his interpretation of the Bible. Thus is becomes impossible to distinguish between what divine revelation actually is versus what a fallible human being thinks it is. This fact makes the Catholic Church, philosophically speaking, preferable to Protestantism, since God’s truth can be known—and known with certainty.


1,591 posted on 12/17/2014 7:39:40 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

The Protestant’s Dilemma

If Protestantism is true, all are fallible. So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church. And the orthodoxy of the church itself is judged against his interpretation of the Bible. Thus is becomes impossible to distinguish between what divine revelation actually is versus what a fallible human being thinks it is. This fact makes the Catholic Church, philosophically speaking, preferable to Protestantism, since God’s truth can be known—and known with certainty.


More proof that Catholics DO NOT READ THE BIBLE.

1Jn 2:27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and He lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what He teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as He has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.


1,593 posted on 12/17/2014 7:44:50 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: ADSUM
>>submitting his judgments to its judgments as to Christ’s.<<

AKA "another Christ". No thanks.

>>But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it.<<

1 John 2:26 These things I did write to you concerning those leading you astray; 27 and you, the anointing that ye did receive from him, in you it doth remain, and ye have no need that any one may teach you, but as the same anointing doth teach you concerning all, and is true, and is not a lie, and even as was taught you, ye shall remain in him.

I don't need the deceit of the Catholic Church.

>>So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church.<<

A lie from the Catholic Church

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The Catholic Church trying to take the place of he Holy Spirit is blasphemy.

1,604 posted on 12/17/2014 8:04:20 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; CynicalBear; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; daniel1212; Gamecock; ...

So, is there salvation outside the Catholic church?

Not only have there been varying opinions on that since the inception of the church, even here on this board are those Catholics who say yes, absolutely, without a doubt, and those who say no, under no circumstances possible.

So there you have each Catholic’s private interpretation of not only Scripture, but also the CCC.

How is that any different from what Catholics accuse *Protestants of?

Who’s right?

They both can’t be.

Which is the Holy Spirit protected teaching?


1,650 posted on 12/17/2014 11:43:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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