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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Mrs. Don-o
Extramarital heterosexual intercourse is a sin, but it is not disordered.

I agree. Heterosexual intercourse is natural and normal in the physical sense while homosexual activity is not. This is obviously the meaning of the text in the Catechism, which does not refer to adultery or fornication as "disordered". (If I am wrong, please cite the text.)

I think it is a mistake to extend the term "disordered" to include any offense against God -- in the attempt to avoid offending homosexuals -- because it creates the very confusion the Cardinal would avoid.

31 posted on 11/24/2014 12:33:39 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Exactly the Good Lord created Eve because He did not want Adam to be alone. We are then commanded to be fruitful and multiply, long before marriage was institutionalized. While sexual activity is sinful outside of marriage, it is certainly not a disorder. I think requiring celibacy as a prerequisite for service in the priesthood is more of a disorder than a man and woman expressing physical intimacy. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible which mandates celibacy as a requirement for service in the priesthood. To the contrary, priests were married men in the Bible. So were the early popes, bishops and priests for that matter. Celibacy was introduced much later and for reasons that have nothing to do with anything that can be found in the Bible.


34 posted on 11/24/2014 12:43:44 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Jeff Chandler
I don't think it's an attempt to avoid offending homosexuals. It may be an attempt to remind us all that our sexual sins are outside of God's order.

I have run into some FReepers (I name no names) who have defended a husband sodomozing his lovely bride on the grounds that if you are married, then anything you do is sanctified by the marriage bed. That's disorered. The fact that we all come into this word with a strong and unsavory tendency toward disorder of some kind--- a kind of moral entropy --- cerainly does indicate that we're all defective and disordered.

Like Lady Gaga says, "born this way."

A staple of Catholic theology. But we do have a Savior.

35 posted on 11/24/2014 12:46:45 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think it’s very, very important to talk about the fact that any kind of extramarital sex is wrong, and not just focus on homosexual sex. Any kind of misuse of our sexual powers is wrong. Any sexual activity outside of marriage is disordered. So I think if we use this vocabulary, we have to use it about all of human sexuality and not just focus on people with same-sex attraction. So it has to be in that context.

Isn't the Cardinal trying not to offend homosexuals here?

50 posted on 11/24/2014 2:09:19 PM PST by piusv
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