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Papal Intervention on Franciscans of the Immaculate reaches insanity levels
Rorate Caeli ^ | 11/16/14 | New Catholic

Posted on 11/17/2014 6:24:39 PM PST by ebb tide

If one wants a reason why Synod special secretary Abp. Bruno Forte, a man currently very close to the Pope and one of his closest advisers, suffered a major defeat in this week's assembly of the Italian Bishops' Conference (CEI) in the election for Vice-President representing Central Italy (including the Latium...), one must only look at what was going on inside the assembly halls in Assisi, as Marco Tosatti reports below. Despite John Allen's spin to the contrary as not a big deal, the most ultra-liberal of Italian Vaticanists, Marco Politi, was right to identify it as a major message to the Vatican from Italian bishops who are honestly fed up. In an organization so marked by symbols as the Catholic Church, this symbolic message by those bishops in the Bishop of Rome's own country, and own region, was a huge deal. There is a general feeling not only of great unease with the direction a strong cabal around the Pope wants to take the Church on moral doctrine, undoing the hard work of Benedict XVI and in particular of John Paul II - a cabal in which Abp. Forte has a strong presence - but also with the heavy-handedness of it all. As Cardinal George is to say in an interview to be released tomorrow, it seems as if there is a desperate rush to implement irreversible change that is hard to understand - George identifies it perhaps with an apocalyptic view of history. (It is not that, though: it is not so hard to understand it when one realizes that ultra-liberal clerics are in a race against time to refashion the Church.) Many bishops are feeling suffocated by the authoritarian fumes, a weight of unproclaimed persecution that is getting on the nerves not only of conservative prelates, but also of very many very moderate bishops, who form the immense majority of Italian bishops. By the way, a similar interpretation of the election of the United States Conference's four representatives in the 2015 Synod is not off the mark: most U.S. Bishops are also understandably alarmed. Not to mention the Bishops of Poland, in complete resistance to the very notion of the possibility of communion for "remarried" divorcees - the same position of the Bishops of Ghana at the end of their Conference's assembly this week.

Marco Tosatti shows just one example of what was going on in the CEI meeting in Assisi - in the middle of it all, the Papal Commissioner that has been destroying the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate for over a year warning Italian bishops not to welcome those priests desperate to get out of their ordeal:

FFI: "Watch out" for the fugitives

Marco Tosatti

[Senior religious correspondent for Italian daily] La Stampa

November 16, 2014

A fact that is remarked upon, outside the meetings of the Assembly of Italian Bishops in Assisi, is certainly secondary, but indicative of an atmosphere. Not exactly an idyllic [atmosphere].

The fact is this: who was walking about amid the bishops who took part of the Church meetings was Fr. Fidenzio Volpi, the Vatican Commissioner for the institute of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The reason for the presence of the Commissioner was not casual. According to what has been reported by sources worthy of the greatest trust, the Commissioner approached at times one, then another bishop, in order to dissuade them, shall we say, from welcoming in their diocese the Friars of the Immaculate who do not recognize themselves in the new administration of the Order, administered by the Commissioner, but above all by his Secretary and spokesman, Father Alfonso Bruno.

As already mentioned in this space, as well as by others, the Intervention in the Franciscans of the Immaculate stands out both by the vagueness of the motivations - in reality, the concrete reasons for which the Congregation for Religious decided the procedure have never been declared, except for an accusation of a "crypto-Lefebrvist" drift - and by the degree of internal conflict it has caused, as well as the severity of the reactions, of which this latest episode is another confirmation.

As an outsider, I ask myself why a religious person who does not feel able to continue inside an institute must be almost forced to remain inside it, instead of bringing his contribution as a priest into a diocese, at a moment in which vocations are not exactly thriving. It could be said, almost jesting, that they are also refugees... And why does the Pontifical Commissioner goes to Assisi to say "Watch out!..." to this or that bishop.

Can we say it already? The climate in which we breathe now does not seem to be a good one.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: forte; francis; persecution; volpi
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To: Mariamante

welcome aboard, newbie, to a strange and wonderful world filled with Freepers.


21 posted on 11/17/2014 8:30:06 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

If one reads “Relatio”, the final document of the Extraordinary Synod, it is pretty clear what he’s all about.


22 posted on 11/17/2014 8:32:22 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: STJPII

I don’t like the demotion of Cardinal Burke, but didn’t the bishop of Paraguay show poor judgment in allowing to minister in his diocese a priest with abuse charges in a number of countries? The diocese of Scranton warned him about this priest. Another charge is that his priests are poorly formed. He did obediently accept the pope’s decision and I would like to hear more of his side of the story, but doubt we will.


23 posted on 11/17/2014 8:58:46 PM PST by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

It is certainly an improvement over the first statement, but hardly good enough.

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/3453/Cardinal_Burke_The_Relatio_Synodi_is_a_significant_improvement_over_the_text_of_the_Relatio_post_Disceptationem.aspx


24 posted on 11/17/2014 9:04:18 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mariamante

‘Someone talking like this about the Pope is NOT a faithful Catholic.’

Nonsense! It is not only the right of faithful Catholics to speak up about things they feel go against the religious teachings of the Church. It is their responsibility to do so.

I believe you have a bone to pick with Cardinal Burke formally Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, as he has made clear that it is high time that Pope Benedict make clear the constant teachings of the Church in regards to divorced and remarried Catholics and its’ constant stance that Homosexual Acts are always sinful.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1115/659753-cardinal-burke/

I think I will go with Burke on this matter. It is high time the Bishop of Rome clarify matters concerning the Churches perennial teaching in Homosexuality and Divorced and remarried Catholics.


25 posted on 11/17/2014 9:04:23 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mariamante; ebb tide
Mariamante, as everyone on this forum knows, I have been somewhat an outlier in that I frequently defend the Pope, or at least in strive to interpret his motivations in the best possible light (which is our moral obligation in justice and charity, according to the Catechism.)

However, you are mistaken if you think the criticism derives from "zero facts or immediate knowledge." These forums have been combing over facts and immediate knowledge for at least the year and a half since Francis assumed the See of Peter. Some of the sources have --- in my view --- exhibited detraction, rash judgment and carelessness about multiplying the effects of scandal, but none of them can be set aside as if they have "zero facts or knowledge." They often have quick access to European and other non-English-language journalistic sources, and feature articles interviewing or quoting people directly involved in the controversies.

The tone is rarely filial, which is a fault. However it is rash to assume they know nothing.

26 posted on 11/18/2014 4:55:57 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("To convert somebody go and take them by the hand and guide them." - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: BlatherNaut

The Pope NEVER approved same sex marriage. We aren’t the Anglican church that has parishoners voting on what they want to do.

What part of the media lies, don’t people get? Fake Christians misrepresenting Catholic doctrine, and Peter’s and his successors messages, have existed since Jesus’ death.

Media lies have existed since at least 1522.


27 posted on 11/18/2014 5:56:08 AM PST by Mariamante
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To: Mariamante
The Pope NEVER approved same sex marriage.

No, but he did approve the statement I quoted in my previous post (a statement which attributes a good to an intrinsic evil) and had it published on the Vatican website.

Does not such a statement published by the Pope ipso facto undermine doctrine by misleading and confusing the faithful?

Should we accept such an error in lieu of perennial truth because the Pope is the one promulgating it, or should we adhere to the constant teachings of the Church? Since when is the Pope's opinion above Divine Law?

"Error beginneth by feigning to stand well with the truth; presently it raileth at her, as an evil. And when a lie triumpheth, it will persecute truth as an enemy." - Fr. Gabriel Palau, S.J., "The Active Catholic"

28 posted on 11/18/2014 7:37:12 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Catholic doctrine has not changed. Simple as that. People can say whatever they want. Doctrine has not changed. I know the church wants to be more sympathetic to divorcees seeking annulment, that is the only issue up for discussion.

Only those who don’t know the church would go into a frenzy about media commentary. If you are a Catholic remember, God knows what He is doing.

The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5–6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ’s calling the apostle Peter “rock”: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).

Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else.

Some argue that in this passage there is a minor difference between the Greek term for Peter (Petros) and the term for rock (petra), yet they ignore the obvious explanation: petra, a feminine noun, has simply been modifed to have a masculine ending, since one would not refer to a man (Peter) as feminine. The change in the gender is purely for stylistic reasons.

These critics also neglect the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and, as John 1:42 tells us, in everyday life he actually referred to Peter as Kepha or Cephas (depending on how it is transliterated). It is that term which is then translated into Greek as petros. Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: “You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church.”

The Church Fathers, those Christians closest to the apostles in time, culture, and theological background, clearly understood that Jesus promised to build the Church on Peter, as the following passages show.

Tatian the Syrian

“Simon Cephas answered and said, ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.’ Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah: flesh and blood has not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say unto thee also, that you are Cephas, and on this rock will I build my Church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it” (The Diatesseron 23 [A.D. 170]).

Tertullian

“Was anything withheld from the knowledge of Peter, who is called ‘the rock on which the Church would be built’ [Matt. 16:18] with the power of ‘loosing and binding in heaven and on earth’ [Matt. 16:19]?” (Demurrer Against the Heretics 22 [A.D. 200]).

“[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. . . . What kind of man are you, subverting and changing what was the manifest intent of the Lord when he conferred this personally upon Peter? Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys” (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).

The Letter of Clement to James

“Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter” (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).

The Clementine Homilies

“[Simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’ [Matt. 16:18]” (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221]).

Origen

“Look at [Peter], the great foundation of the Church, that most solid of rocks, upon whom Christ built the Church [Matt. 16:18]. And what does our Lord say to him? ‘Oh you of little faith,’ he says, ‘why do you doubt?’ [Matt. 14:31]” (Homilies on Exodus 5:4 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian of Carthage

“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).

“There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering” (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253]).

“There [John 6:68–69] speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ. The people joined to the priest and the flock clinging to their shepherd are the Church. You ought to know, then, that the bishop is in the Church and the Church in the bishop, and if someone is not with the bishop, he is not in the Church. They vainly flatter themselves who creep up, not having peace with the priests of God, believing that they are
secretly [i.e., invisibly] in communion with certain individuals. For the Church, which is one and Catholic, is not split nor divided, but it is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere one to another” (ibid., 66[69]:8).

Firmilian

“But what is his error . . . who does not remain on the foundation of the one Church which was founded upon the rock by Christ [Matt. 16:18], can be learned from this, which Christ said to Peter alone: ‘Whatever things you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:19]” (collected in Cyprian’s Letters74[75]:16 [A.D. 253]).

“[Pope] Stephen [I] . . . boasts of the place of his episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter, on whom the foundations of the Church were laid [Matt. 16:18]. . . . [Pope] Stephen . . . announces that he holds by succession the throne of Peter” (ibid., 74[75]:17).

Ephraim the Syrian

“[Jesus said:] ‘Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church. I betimes called you Peter, because you will support all its buildings. You are the inspector of those who will build on earth a Church for me. If they should wish to build what is false, you, the foundation, will condemn them. You are the head of the fountain from which my teaching flows; you are the chief of my disciples’” (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]).

Optatus

“You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

Ambrose of Milan

“[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. . . . ’ Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]?” (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).

“It is to Peter that he says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18]. Where Peter is, there is the Church. And where the Church is, no death is there, but life eternal” (Commentary on Twelve Psalms of David 40:30 [A.D. 389]).

Pope Damasus I

“Likewise it is decreed . . . that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has not been placed at the forefront [of the churches] by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it” (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).

Jerome

“‘But,’ you [Jovinian] will say, ‘it was on Peter that the Church was founded’ [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division” (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).

“I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails” (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396]).

Augustine

“If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them [the bishops of Rome] from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it.’ Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement. ... In this order of succession a Donatist bishop is not to be found” (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]).

Council of Ephesus

“Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]).

Sechnall of Ireland

“Steadfast in the fear of God, and in faith immovable, upon [Patrick] as upon Peter the [Irish] church is built; and he has been allotted his apostleship by God; against him the gates of hell prevail not” (Hymn in Praise of St. Patrick 3 [A.D. 444]).

Pope Leo I

“Our Lord Jesus Christ . . . has placed the principal charge on the blessed Peter, chief of all the apostles. . . . He wished him who had been received into partnership in his undivided unity to be named what he himself was, when he said: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18], that the building of the eternal temple might rest on Peter’s solid rock, strengthening his Church so surely that neither could human rashness assail it nor the gates of hell prevail against it” (Letters 10:1 [A.D. 445]).

Council of Chalcedon

“Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod, together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, has stripped him [Dioscorus] of the episcopate” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. ]


29 posted on 11/18/2014 6:59:32 PM PST by Mariamante
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To: Mariamante
Doctrine has not changed.

True, but it can be obscured and ignored. For example, humanae vitae is essentially a dead letter for the majority of Catholics, in part due to the confusion surrounding the issue prior to its publication. We are seeing similar confusion emanating from Rome at this time as a result of statements published in the relatio, and the consequences may well be similarly unfortunate.

30 posted on 11/18/2014 7:25:45 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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