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To: OneWingedShark

This whole chain of argument is laughable. The “church” is a third century invention designed to replace Israel in the master plan of G-d. There is no such thing in scripture. The Nazarine never heard the word. He was a Jewish rabbi/prophet who lived entirely within the context of Torah Observant Judaism. He kept the Torah. Ate Kosher. Kept the Shabbat. Followed all the regulations regarding access to the Temple. He reaffirmed the eternity of the Taryog Mitzvoth. In short, he was not a Christian; He was a Jew. What got him in trouble was his passion to bring the burning flame of Torah to the entire world, to every nation. That’s what the “New Covenant is: the Torah, written on your heart.


54 posted on 11/09/2014 7:22:38 PM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: Torahman
This whole chain of argument is laughable. The “church” is a third century invention designed to replace Israel in the master plan of G-d. There is no such thing in scripture. The Nazarine never heard the word. He was a Jewish rabbi/prophet who lived entirely within the context of Torah Observant Judaism. He kept the Torah. Ate Kosher. Kept the Shabbat. Followed all the regulations regarding access to the Temple. He reaffirmed the eternity of the Taryog Mitzvoth. In short, he was not a Christian; He was a Jew. What got him in trouble was his passion to bring the burning flame of Torah to the entire world, to every nation. That’s what the “New Covenant is: the Torah, written on your heart.

Yes, God's law written on the heart — but no, not the law of sacrificing animals and circumcision; as James's words, and the judgement of the council of Jerusalem concerning Gentile believers shows:

(Acts 15:1-29)
Then certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to discuss this question with the apostles and the elders. So they were sent on their way by the church, and as they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, they reported the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the believers. When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. But some believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and said, “It is necessary for them to be circumcised and ordered to keep the law of Moses.”

The apostles and the elders met together to consider this matter. After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “My brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that I should be the one through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the good news and become believers. And God, who knows the human heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us; and in cleansing their hearts by faith he has made no distinction between them and us. Now therefore why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

The whole assembly kept silence, and listened to Barnabas and Paul as they told of all the signs and wonders that God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “My brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first looked favorably on the Gentiles, to take from among them a people for his name. This agrees with the words of the prophets, as it is written,
 ‘After this I will return,  and I will rebuild the dwelling of David, which has fallen;     from its ruins I will rebuild it,         and I will set it up,  so that all other peoples may seek the Lord—     even all the Gentiles over whom my name has been called.         Thus says the Lord, who has been making these things known from long ago.’
Therefore I have reached the decision that we should not trouble those Gentiles who are turning to God, but we should write to them to abstain only from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from whatever has been strangled and from blood. For in every city, for generations past, Moses has had those who proclaim him, for he has been read aloud every sabbath in the synagogues.”

Then the apostles and the elders, with the consent of the whole church, decided to choose men from among their members and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leaders among the brothers, with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the believers of Gentile origin in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that certain persons who have gone out from us, though with no instructions from us, have said things to disturb you and have unsettled your minds, we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you, along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
As Paul observed: the law never saves, it only condemns; and the writer of Hebrews confirmed it.
IOW, putting such emphasis on the Torah is wrong: the emphasis should be on Jesus.
(Heb 10:12-18)
But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “he sat down at the right hand of God,” and since then has been waiting “until his enemies would be made a footstool for his feet.” For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
“This is the covenant that I will make with them
   after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts,
   and I will write them on their minds,”
he also adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
That we do not continually sacrifice animals for sins is the result of Jesus's work in paying for and forgiving our sins.
The Law written on the heart is, IMO, best expressed in John's epistles.
56 posted on 11/09/2014 7:54:27 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Torahman
That’s what the “New Covenant is: the Torah, written on your heart.

Until you start reading the 'new covenant'...Then it entirely another story...

67 posted on 11/10/2014 3:18:10 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Torahman
This whole chain of argument is laughable. The “church” is a third century invention designed to replace Israel in the master plan of G-d

You are wrong.

72 posted on 11/10/2014 8:11:40 AM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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