Didja'll notice that - I, Nephi - wrote this?

21 posted on 10/28/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

If Mormons were to read the Bible....

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

No mention of Joseph Smith. But....

Galatians 1:6-9 King James Version (KJV)

6 ((Mormons need to read this part!!))

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

(( Mormons, you claim to have another gospel!))

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Mark 13:21

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:((Mormons should read the Bible!!))

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

22 posted on 10/28/2014 7:53:08 AM PDT by dragonblustar

That section should settle the idea that it simply divides it into paragraphs. More like into sentences. The section is also interesting in that the story simply doesn’t coincide with how God works in the Bible. God usually uses someone to write the message or sends an angel (the name means messenger) to deliver God’s word. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only time God actually delivers the message pre-written (like on the weird ball in the text) is the law which was written by the very finger of God. He is a very personal God.

23 posted on 10/28/2014 9:38:02 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)

So I read this alongside Genesis chapter 2 and I noticed something. It sounds to me like someone tried to write themselves into God's role in Genesis 2. Then I thought I heard a familiar hissing in that voice.

Isaiah 14: 13-15 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

24 posted on 10/28/2014 9:45:36 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)

The word "moron", to denote an unintelligent person with an IQ in the range 50-70, is relatively new. I can't find any etymology dating it earlier than 1905 ... almost 100 years after Joseph Smith published his strange book.

Morón (note the accent) is a city name and a family name in some Spanish influenced countries ... such usage greatly predates Smith.

I assume that he just made up the word, though he might have been aping the Spanish usage.

25 posted on 10/28/2014 9:53:51 AM PDT by NorthMountain

To: Idaho_Cowboy

So I read this alongside Genesis chapter 2 and I noticed something. It sounds to me like someone tried to write themselves into God's role in Genesis 2.

Try THIS!

Let's compare GENESIS

King James Version

Genesis 50:24–26

²⁴And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

²⁵And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

²⁶So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

Joseph Smith Translation

Genesis 50:24–38

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.

25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter, and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;

31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

32 And out of weakness shall he be made strong, in that day when my work shall go forth among all my people, which shall restore them, who are of the house of Israel, in the last days.

33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation.

34 And the Lord sware unto Joseph that he would preserve his seed forever, saying, I will raise up Moses, and a rod shall be in his hand, and he shall gather together my people, and he shall lead them as a flock, and he shall smite the waters of the Red Sea with his rod.

35 And he shall have judgment, and shall write the word of the Lord. And he shall not speak many words, for I will write unto him my law by the finger of mine own hand. And I will make a spokesman for him, and his name shall be called Aaron.

36 And it shall be done unto thee in the last days also, even as I have sworn. Therefore, Joseph said unto his brethren, God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land, unto the land which he sware unto Abraham, and unto Isaac, and to Jacob.

37 And Joseph confirmed many other things unto his brethren, and took an oath of the children of Israel, saying unto them, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

38 So Joseph died when he was an hundred and ten years old; and they embalmed him, and they put him in a coffin in Egypt; and he was kept from burial by the children of Israel, that he might be carried up and laid in the sepulchre with his father. And thus they remembered the oath which they sware unto him.

26 posted on 10/28/2014 11:38:27 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

A bit more research reveals that "idiot" and "imbecile" are much older terms for low-IQ people. "Idiot" is from the Latin by way of Middle English, "imbecile" from the Latin by way of Middle French. "Moron" was lifted directly from ancient Greek in the early XX Century.

I'm not sure the proximate source of Smith's nonsense ... he may have simply ginned up nonsense words the same way Lewis Carroll did.

The ultimate source of his nonsense, however, reeks of sulfur.

And I care about this only because I find etymology (and false cognates) fascinating.

28 posted on 10/28/2014 12:34:22 PM PDT by NorthMountain

To: NorthMountain

The ultimate source of his nonsense, however, reeks of sulfur.

I just LOVE the smell of brimstone in the morning!

29 posted on 10/29/2014 4:40:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: NorthMountain

The ultimate source of his nonsense, however, reeks of sulfur.

I just LOVE the smell of brimstone in the morning!

30 posted on 10/29/2014 4:41:48 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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