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To: ClearCase_guy
Thank you for this gracious comment.

I once had a long car ride with a Unitarian-Universalist gal (to be fair, she had been brought up Catholic) wherein for hours we talked back and forth about the morality of contraception.

We both persisted in this converstion through sunshine and snowstorm, hour after hour, because we both believed that IF it is true that contraception is morally objectionable, it MUST be something rooted in Natural Law, i.e. what is right and fitting for us as human beings, discernible by reason guided by good will.

So we we weren't just talking about Onan. We were talking about the whole consequences of a wholly Onanistic mentality and culture.

We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex. It is a thread which, if you cut it and then start pulling it out, necessarily unravels the whole sweater.

I wish I could remember that whole conversation. (It was years and years ago.) I really think everybody could figure this out, if they looked deeply enough into how God's design works --- how all the threads are connected.

9 posted on 10/26/2014 8:43:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Will you still need me, will you still feed me... when I'm 63?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The human race engaged in contraception since the very beginning. It was crude but it often worked.

Some cultures killed their unwanted or imperfect newborns. Some cultures merely murdered their unwanted female fetuses by strangulation or throwing them down a dry well. Some put their deformed babies on a small raft and set them out to sea.

Many cultures didn't value the life of a newborn very much, did they?

15 posted on 10/26/2014 8:56:13 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sin is conceived in the heart long before it is born in the actions.

If contraception is a sin, then it’s not the CAUSE of the moral decay in our society, but the SYMPTOM.

No sin ever catches on unless people are willing to engage in it and that is because they have already compromised in their heart.

To say that contraception causes moral failure denies the empowering work of the Holy Spirit to give people the ability to resist sin. Then we’re all just victims of our circumstances and can’t help ourselves.

Which is not true.


19 posted on 10/26/2014 9:25:14 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex. It is a thread which, if you cut it and then start pulling it out, necessarily unravels the whole sweater.

Very well put. This is why every Church before the 1930s condemned it.
24 posted on 10/26/2014 9:47:16 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex.

Until God greatly increased Eve's conception after the fall, sex was as much for fun and relationship as it was for procreation because most sex would NOT have resulted in conception.

Just where did this mentality come from that sex was only for procreation and that sex without that intent is morally bankrupt, or subnormal? Did GOD state that somewhere?

All that does is diminish sex, which was GOD'S idea in the first place, in the eyes of humans to something less good than it is.

It would be just like the enemy to take something that is good and right and bind humans with all kinds of guilt and hang-ups about it by implying that they're not *doing it right* if they don't have the right intent for having it.

At that point, it simply provides some people the opportunity to point fingers and sit in judgment of others who aren't doing it the way they think it should be done.

28 posted on 10/26/2014 10:03:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I once had a long car ride with a Unitarian-Universalist

A Unitarian Universalist? They are hell-bound, filthy heretics. They are not Protestants, and they aren't Christians.

30 posted on 10/26/2014 10:06:13 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex. It is a thread which, if you cut it and then start pulling it out, necessarily unravels the whole sweater.

True, the Pill was a bomb that silently but negatively revolutionized society, producing selfish couples and spoiled selfish overprotected 1.8 children - and which are outnumbered by pets 4 to one. If you are going to be married, exercise temperance but have all the children God gives, practicing Mt. 6:33 to see needs met, while instilling sacrificial love and sharing and community.

The political ramifications of the Pill by conservative Christians has been to reduce their numbers in a changing demographic that will make it much more difficult for the few children they have.

Related:

A new report concludes that children growing up in large families are happier and more successful. Told you so, says mother-of-five Cassandra Jardine. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3356892/The-bigger-the-family-the-better-says-Cassandra-Jardine.html

49 posted on 10/26/2014 12:00:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sounds like one or both people on the make, I have had those kind of conversations with the opposite sex myself and I was on the make.


60 posted on 10/26/2014 12:27:09 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I once had a long car ride with a Unitarian-Universalist gal>>>>>>

Please ignore my last post, I thought it said guy, yes I don`t have good vision.


87 posted on 10/26/2014 2:49:00 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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