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You Can’t Reform Islam Without Reforming Muslims
Frontpagemag.com ^ | October 21, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 10/21/2014 3:11:18 AM PDT by Biggirl

Every few years the debate over reforming Islam bubbles up from the depths of a culture that largely censors any suggestion that Islam needs reforming.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: greenfield; islam; muslims; reform
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To: Biggirl

That was the point.


21 posted on 10/21/2014 7:38:02 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

We must finally come to realize that the only way
to “reform” Islam is to destroy the pillars of their
“faith” in the omnipotence of Allah, by destroying
their holy cities, although Ebola may play a part
just by itself. Of course it will take some brave
muslims to point out that the wrath of allah is
punishment for their twisted beliefs.

Other than that extermination is the only alternative,
theirs or ours, and they don’t have a problem with ours.


22 posted on 10/21/2014 7:47:13 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: The Great RJ

per Peter BetBasoo & credit to him...

1) “the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called “Golden Age of Islam” came to an end (about 850 A.D.).”

2) “Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization described was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?”

3) “the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist “Young Turk” government. This is the true face of Islam.” and

4) “Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the “foreign” culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab “accomplishments” you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word ‘Arab’ is an Assyrian word, meaning “Westerner” (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the “ma’rabayeh” — Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs). Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.”

Let’s not forget islam came on the scene 632AD(after moh’s death... there were no muslims before. Factually, mohammad was the only first muslim per their Koran 39:12, “And I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam.” Meanwhile pagan Arabs were honoring, worshipping & praying to a moon idiol identified as a allah.


23 posted on 10/21/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: Biggirl

The Only Moderate Muslim is a Lapsed Muslim...


24 posted on 10/21/2014 7:52:06 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: tet68

Totally obliterating Mecca and Medina without warning during the Haj would not only send the message, but totally destroy Islam for all time.

The question then arises, since Nature arbores a vacuum, what will replace it? A Space Alien invasion?


25 posted on 10/21/2014 8:42:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Ok, I’ve got it figured out and you’re right.
A space alien invasion IS coming and Obama has figured
out that the west is just not ruthless enough to survive
therefore the world must be made Islamic before it happens
so the aliens can be exterminated along with the Kuffar.

Really, it’s so simple an idiot could figure it out.


26 posted on 10/21/2014 9:39:39 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

“Really, it’s so simple an idiot could figure it out.”

That’s why it was so easy for me ...


27 posted on 10/21/2014 9:50:26 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Biggirl

Islam doesn’t need reforming.

It needs eradicating.


28 posted on 10/21/2014 12:31:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Ditto.


29 posted on 10/21/2014 1:32:00 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Jack Hydrazine
You remove jihad from Islam you have no more Islam.

Muhammed found that out after trying to convert people with a non threatening approach. Many years passed and he had only about a hundred or so converts.
He then decided to draw the sword and took an : I am willing to kill and die for my faith are you willing to do that for your alleged beliefs. Submit to Islam or die.

That Jihadi approach, backed up by violent confrontations and bullying worked.
There are now about 1.7 BILLION Muslims on the planet. -Tom

30 posted on 10/21/2014 7:49:33 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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