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To: Mercat
Plus you still have not answered the question, if Jesus is God and God is all powerful and Jesus was born of a woman, who raised him and nurtured him, can we assume he loved her in a way that was both human and divine? And with such love, wouldn’t he have 1. created her without sin and 2. brought her body and soul to heaven?

Of course not...Again, it's a matter of scripture...

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

God can not be tempted...God can't even look at sin...

Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Heb_2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

If Jesus mother was born sinless, perfect, Jesus would not nor could not have endured temptation...When Jesus saw a good looking harlot, he noticed it...No doubt Jesus considered getting drunk a number of times...And being human, probably the toughest temptation Jesus faced was chosing not to cause great bodily harm or death for those who were beating him during the 'passion'...Imagine the restraint...

No, Mary could not possibly have been sinless...Jesus need a normal, marked with original sin mother in order to be fully human...

2. brought her body and soul to heaven? If I had the power to do that for my mom, gone now for 15 years, I would do that. Who wouldn’t?

If I was Jesus??? No...

Since Jesus knew his mother would end up in heaven anyway, she had other children to take care of (whether you believe it or not)...Plus, Jesus needed her on earth as another witness...

God tells us to honor your parents...Surely Jesus did that...But again ignoring your religion's dogma and going with what God actually tells is the only way to go...

I would guess that you don't really understand the love of God...God loves his spiritual brothers, mothers and sisters more than he loves flesh and blood...Even his own...None of Jesus' brothers, sisters, mother, cousins or kin of any kind will go to heaven unless he becomes the God of their lives...

29 posted on 10/09/2014 3:56:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Amazing how we can read the same passage again and again and see a completely different view of Jesus, his mother, and the mysteries of their lives. Some context is appropriate. The Corinthians to whom Paul was writing his letter were largely Greek and had been raised to believe in the possibility of a spiritual resurrection but were having a difficult time believing a bodily resurrection. Paul, I believe, was explaining that the resurrected body, both of Christ and of ourselves, would be transformed. Perhaps my view of the original Adam and Eve is influenced by my reading both Paradise Lost by Milton and C.S. Lewis’s science fiction trilogy, especially, Peralandria. And the whole transformed body thing of course, would be totally familiar to anyone who has watched the Star Trek TV series. I’m pretty visual so that is part of how I roll with my theology. I know that like Paul says, I’m still an infant and am eating baby food but I still see nothing you have sent me which comes even close to convincing me that I need to flee the Catholic Church to save my soul. I love the richness of the history and tradition and beauty of the liturgy. Most of all I love the Eucharist. I go into a Protestant Church and with all due respect, I sense no presence, its just another meeting hall. That is probably my failing. But I go into a Catholic sanctuary, I look for the red candle, I see the crucifix and I want to fall to my knees and worship. I will read the Bible and go to Bible study and seminars and read commentary the rest of my life. I cannot get enough of it. Thank you for the dialogue and God bless you on your journey.


31 posted on 10/10/2014 11:56:48 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Iscool

One other thing. Where does it say in the Bible that the resurrected Christ doesn’t bleed? He eats. And before he died he disappeared twice, once in Nazareth and once at the Temple. So “walking through walls” is not only not specified in the Bible but he disappears before and after the resurrection. As far as him lusting etc. I’m guessing he also pooped and peed. But all three of those things are guesses and not mentioned in the Bible but he did eat, before and after the Resurrection. He was tempted to sin but remained sinless. Was he born with original sin in your world view? Just curious. Thanks.


32 posted on 10/10/2014 1:50:36 PM PDT by Mercat
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