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To: Alamo-Girl; daniel1212; Pelham; metmom; boatbums; NKP_Vet
Your statement that the KJB came from the Vulgate does not make sense to me

Me either. Again, the problem here is gross oversimplification. The true history of the KJV text is long and complex with many tributaries. Saying it is a direct product of the Vulgate is flat out wrong, though it would be equally wrong to say the Vulgate had no influence, because it did. One of the reasons projects like Erasmus’ Greek text were undertaken was that significantly more Greek manuscript evidence was available than in Jerome’s day and the Vulgate was shown to be a defective translation in many points. So one could expect Greek texts stemming from that tradition to have those corrections.

Probably of greater importance than the Vulgate was the commitment to the Byzantine Greek text form, which in general is very supportive of the KJV New Testament. Most modern translations are derived from either the Alexandrian text form or the Byzantine, and have very little if any reliance on the Vulgate.

Peace,

SR

76 posted on 09/09/2014 12:41:03 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
The true history of the KJV text is long and complex with many tributaries....Probably of greater importance than the Vulgate was the commitment to the Byzantine Greek text form, which in general is very supportive of the KJV New Testament. Most modern translations are derived from either the Alexandrian text form or the Byzantine, and have very little if any reliance on the Vulgate.

A learned and balanced reply.

108 posted on 09/09/2014 8:00:44 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Springfield Reformer; daniel1212; Pelham; metmom; boatbums; NKP_Vet
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear Springfield Reformer!

Probably of greater importance than the Vulgate was the commitment to the Byzantine Greek text form, which in general is very supportive of the KJV New Testament. Most modern translations are derived from either the Alexandrian text form or the Byzantine, and have very little if any reliance on the Vulgate.

I chose the Old Testament rather than the New Testament to illustrate that things get lost in translation, i.e. Hebrew > Greek > English versus Hebrew > English.

Thank God for the Dead Sea Scrolls! They strongly attest to the faithfulness of the Masoretic Hebrew Bible (Schiffman et al.)

The Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) is of particular interest to me because it will be sung in heaven along with the Song of the Lamb (Revelation 15:3) - and contains prophesy related to Gentiles being received while Israel is blinded until the fulness of Gentiles comes in (Romans 11).

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. - Deut 32:28

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. - Romans 11:11

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.- Romans 11:25

And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. - Revelation 15:3

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

140 posted on 09/09/2014 11:19:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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