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To: ScottfromNJ

**Zuriel, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Thanks, God Bless and good night.**

Well, I do appreciate your polite, and honest conclusion. I thought I replied to the below assertion from you (#296), before I replied to #295. But, I must not have double clicked ‘post’ before handing over the pc to my wife for a few minutes. So, please allow me to touch on it for a few moments.

from #296 **And later, as I pointed out previously, Peter corrected himself: Act 11:16 -“Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.”**

I really do wonder why folks think that Peter didn’t quite get it right beginning with that day of Pentecost, and also the conversion of the house of Cornelius. I mean, look at the teacher he had.......none other than Jesus Christ. Who, taught him, prayed for him (a lot), and told him this:

“..Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and WHEN thou art CONVERTED, strengthen the brethern”. Lk 22:31,32

They then went to Gethsemane to pray, where the Lord prayed to the Father, mostly for his disciples. One verse that sticks out for me, concerning the upcoming evangelism, is this one:

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on ME through THEIR WORD”. Jn 17:20

We know that Peter promptly went and ‘fell flat on his face’ with his denial. But, he was going to ‘be scattered’ anyway (Zech. 13:7; Matt. 26:31; Mk 14:27), and he was yet to be CONVERTED. That happened, when the Spirit was poured out on the first 120.

I don’t believe that Peter was erroneous in any of his first sermon to the lost, and that Acts 2:38 is inspired from God, as well.

Below is a comparison of the conversion events in Acts 10, and the Acts 11 testamony of Peter, back in Jerusalem:

The Holy Ghost falls:
10:44 “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word.”
11:15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them...”

The witness:
10:45,46 “And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles ALSO was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..”.
11:15 “..fell on them, AS ON US at the beginning.”

The declaration of that witness:

10:47 “...which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we.”
11:17 “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did onto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ..”.

Did you notice that I left out the last three words of 10:46, and the first part of 10:47; and, that I left out the last part of 11:17?

That’s because there is a challenge given in both cases:
10:46,47 “..Then answered Peter. Can any man..” (including Peter himself) “..forbid water, that these should not be baptized...”.
11:17 “What was I, that I could withstand God?” (yes, I believe Peter was faced with God’s command of baptizing them in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and HAD TO DO IT. “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord...”. 10:48

My conclusion:
Peter’s remembrance, that he relates to the brethern in Jerusalem (11:15-17), is that the same Spirit baptism promised from the Lord (vs 16), happened to the Gentiles, and there was no doubt to him that their infilling of the Holy Ghost was the real deal.

I believe that Peter’s remembrance that he quotes in 11:16 happened right here, between the words “..and magnify God.”, and, “Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water,..”.

Remember that Paul was baptized, and baptized others, even admitting so in his letter to the Corinthians. Between the apostles, there were disagreements about what, and what not, to eat, etc., but, I believe that he taught the same conversion as Peter and the other apostles: Acts 2:38

Thanks, God bless, and good night.


299 posted on 09/11/2014 9:27:43 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

Acts 10:44 - “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word.”

Acts 10:45 - “And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

Act 10:46 - “For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter”

Notice here that Cornelius and those with him were saved, received and manifested the Holy Spirit even before Peter performed his ritual.


300 posted on 09/12/2014 4:50:41 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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