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To: delchiante

You are genuinely weird. You also contradict the Apostles. I’ll cling to the Word of God. If you choose to cling to something else, and be built on a foundation of Jewish feasts that pointed to Christ but that were not the reality...then it won’t be me who pays the price.

“11-14 We may go further. If it be possible to bring men to spiritual maturity through the Levitical priestly system (for that is the system under which the people were given the Law), why does the necessity arise for another priest to make his appearance after the order of Melchizedek, instead of following the normal priestly calling of Aaron? For if there is a transference of priestly powers, there will necessarily follow an alteration of the Law regarding priesthood. He who is described as our High Priest belongs to another tribe, no member of which had ever attended the altar! For it is a matter of history that our Lord was a descendant of Judah, and Moses made no mention of priesthood in connection with that tribe.

15-17 How fundamental is this change becomes all the more apparent when we see this other priest appearing according to the Melchizedek pattern, and deriving his priesthood not by virtue of a command imposed from outside, but from the power of indestructible life within. For the witness to him, as we have seen, is: ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.’

18-19 Quite plainly, then, there is a definite cancellation of the previous commandment because of its ineffectiveness and uselessness—the Law was incapable of bringing anyone to real maturity—followed by the introduction of a better hope, through which we approach our God...

...26-27 Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, beyond the very reach of sin and lifted to the very Heavens. There is no need for him, like the High Priest we know, to offer up sacrifice, first for our own sins and then for the people’s. He made one sacrifice, once for all, when he offered up himself.

28 The Law makes for its High Priests men of human weakness. But the word of the oath, which came after the Law, makes for High Priest the Son, who is perfect for ever!...

...8-12 Actually, however, God does show himself dissatisfied for he says to those under the first agreement: ‘Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in my covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more’.

13 The mere fact that God speaks of a new covenant or agreement makes the old one out of date. And when a thing grows weak and out of date it is obviously soon going to be dispensed with altogether.”


“8-10 After saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin you did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are made according to the Law), Christ then says, “Behold, I have come to do your will, O God.” That means he is dispensing with the old order of sacrifices, and establishing a new order of obedience to the will of God, and in that will we have been made holy by the single unique offering of the body of Christ.

11-16 Every human priest stands day by day performing his religious duties and offering time after time the same sacrifices—which can never actually remove sins. But this man, after offering one sacrifice for sins for ever, took his seat at God’s right hand, from that time offering no more sacrifice, but waiting until “his enemies be made his footstool”. For by virtue of that one offering he has perfected for all time every one whom he makes holy. The Holy Spirit himself endorses this truth for us, when he says, first: ‘This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them’.

17 And then, he adds, ‘Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more’.

18 Where God grants remission of sin there can be no question of making further atonement.”


76 posted on 09/05/2014 6:56:39 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers

I do cling to genuine, not counterfeits. And it is weird to those who conform their mind around counterfeit false premises..

The circular reasoning that gets argued around here from mother and daughter is a work of that flesh.

Counterfeits are not genuine for one reason or another..

If your faith is in the church teachings that the greco roman latin Jesus was born on December 25, died on good friya day and was raised on easter sun’s day, none of those are biblical. They are popular. But not biblical.
Those are all traditions..

If you don’t worship on december 25 and easter than you are in the minority. Some go the other way and are angry Santa and the bunny have such a prominent role in those days- it offends them to their core. from your post, you dont seem to have those two days any holier than the others..

You and I would share that opinion, then, that those days are not holy. Maybe for different reasons..

When I saw acts 7:45 and hebrews 4:8 use the name ‘Joshua’ in some newer translations than what I had for those two Jesus verses in an older bible, it helped me find evidence that even the name Jesus is a greco roman latin tradition..

I don’t think its weird to test the spirits and prove all things.. it is better than trusting all spirits and accept that church leaders have proven all things for you..

The Messiah of Israel in scripture is not the greco roman latin savior of Christendom..
They have the same words (which would be a dead giveaway), deeds, and have a story that matches..

What differentiates them is one actually fulfills Torah by His very life events..
And the other has had counterfeit days added that look and feel like the original genuine days in scripture, but when the light of scripture is put to them, they are phony. (Lies, counterfeits, Pseudo)

If the name, birthday, death and resurrection story and the worship of those traditions that can be proven to be counterfeits of genuine, what is a believer to think?

You have no reason to doubt the faith you have in your church teachings and doctrines.
I can show you hundreds of denominations that think they cornered the market on true Truth..

It wasn’t until I came out of the world that I got to take a look at what then world really is- counterfeit..and it doesn’t end with governments or businesses or people lying to us.. the world of religion is just a part of the world as any of the other pieces..

The Messiah of Israel wasn’t born on December 25. He wasnt killed on good friya day.
He wasnt raised on easter sun’s day. Those Greco roman Latin days are reserved for the Greco roman Latin savior, Jesus.

The Messiah of Israel was born on the 1st day of His 6th month (revelation 12-) when the woman was clothed with the sun and the moon was under her feet.
(The sign is the sign of Virgo, the virgin, and that picture in the sky is of a New Moon Day for His sixth month-not the Gregorian 6th)

Christendom is silent on a couple of these, but His calendar and Torah are not-
The Messiah was circumcised on the 8th day of His 1st month(per Torah law) which on His calendar is a weekly Sabbath every month. (Ezekiel 46:1)

The Messiah was dedicated in the temple, 40 days after His mother Miriam’s purification (per Torah). That happens to be the 10th day of the 7th month in Torah - Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, a rather big Sabbath day in Torah.

The Messiah was baptized on His 30th birthday, the 1st day of His sixth month, a New Moon Day.
(Then immediately was led into the wilderness for 40 days and night- a picture of His mother Miriam’s purification that happened at His birth)

The Messiah was put to death on the 14th day His 1st month, the Feast of Passover (per Torah).
The Messiah rested in the tomb on the 15th day, a High Sabbath and the Feast of Unelavened Bread. (Per Torah)
The Messiah rose from the dead on the 16th day of the 1st month, the Feast of First Fruits. (Per Torah)

Now, be honest, does the church teach that or worship from there? They dont need to because they have substitutes for those (or just ignore them)

By the way, there were at least three different passover this year depending on the Jews and their timekeepings...
And none had the good Friya day, Saturn’s day and Sun’s day template which is what Christendom uses every year.

Resurrection day could have been a woden’s day, Thor’s day or Friya’s day on the pope gregory calendar this year depending on which Jews, did what..could that show the traditions in greco roman latin church is reserved for its Greco roman Latin savior alone? I could comment on sun worship here but I won’t.

Worship in christenom is founded on traditions, including the very day people worship each week in large numbers as its sabbath(sunday- because the calendar teaches us that is the first day on the pope Gregory calendar)

By observing His calendar and those who were given the written oracles along with an understanding Torah, one can show christendom as a religion based of traditions of a Greco roman Latin nature and not scripture.
The Messiah is clear about traditions or men that trump the commandments of YHWH.

I pray more believers have their eyes opened to what has been hidden under the cloak of ‘traditions’..

Those things people call Jewish are the very fulfillment of the Messiah’s life himself. What a blessing to be able to see His plan in totality. What a blessing to know why Israel was told to do what they were told to do..not because we have to do it.. but because we see how He fulfills it and can commemorate what He did... kind of like our man made anniversaries and holy days like labor day (the last man made holy day we’ve seen this year)..
(That was a work day on His calendar BTW)

Christendom sees Jesus in December 25 and easter, I see the Messiah of Israel in every New Moon, Sabbath and Feast..

And as far as I know, I am no Jew.. and those feasts seem legalistic and/or Jewish to gentiles.
But they really begin on a weekly Sabbath (something Jews do not do today, because they use the pope’s calendar instead).. and end on a Sabbath.. they are to work in between just like you and me for six days.
If you observe His calendar and His Sabbath from His calendar, you cannot help but observe His Feasts..(again, something Israel does not do today because they have a pope appointed sabbath that gets in the way)

So, what do believers cling to? I certainly do not cling to New Moonsl Sabbaths and feasts for salvation.
I cling to the belief in the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the finished work of Yahshua, His only Beloved Son, the Messiah of Israel for salvation.

I see in those New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts Him.. I see His coming kingdom.. I see His government. I see Torah and Torah that became flesh and dwelt among us..

Praise Yah I am not stuck with seeing santa and the easter bunny anymore..!

The greco roman latin traditions or Torah that became flesh and dwelt among us?

They are not the same.. and we can tell by who and how we worship.

Worship is a rather big theme in Scripture. And important in the last book in scripture for the end times.

counterfeits are not meant to be the same as the genuine.
They are meant to trick, deceive, fool.steal..

And isn’t that what scripture says satan does.. deceives the whole world..

If all this makes me weird, I will take it.

I don’t know anything of this by church. No denomination can stake claim..
All the glory goes to Him!

Ask, seek and knock and who knows what one will learn. (Or unlearn as in my case)

It may be too weird for some..

Truth is stranger than fiction..
At least to those who stick to fiction..

I no longer like the fiction.

But to each their own on this journey..
We need not please man, but Him..
And His Truth wins..

HalleluYah!


84 posted on 09/05/2014 10:24:36 AM PDT by delchiante
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