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To: Rashputin
That you or anyone else believes those books are the "inspired Word of God" demonstrates a total DISRESPECT for the actual Word of God! There is no comparison between those extra seven books and the rest of the 66 books (hardly a "large portion") that EVERYONE acknowledges ARE the Word of God - God is NOT so sloppy that He would let errors and mistakes slip in. Even the early church recognized that these books were NOT from God. That they could be edifying, encouraging and semi-historical, yes, but NOBODY believed they were God-breathed sacred Scripture - NOBODY. They were NOT to be used for establishing doctrine. From http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/10/did-jerome-change-his-mind-on-apocrypha.html:

    In his commentary on Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus, Jerome states:

    "As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it also read these two Volumes (Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus) for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the Church."

    According to Jerome, these books are ecclesiastical, capable of spiritual teaching, but cannot be used for supporting church doctrine. This begs the question: Since when is known Scripture not to be used for supporting doctrine? Even Scripture itself attests:

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

    Furthermore, Jerome, emphatically states in his preface to the books of Samuel and Kings:

    "This preface to the Scriptures may serve as a "helmeted" introduction to all the books which we turn from Hebrew into Latin, so that we may be assured that what is not found in our list must be placed amongst the Apocryphal writings. Wisdom, therefore, which generally bears the name of Solomon, and the book of Jesus, the Son of Sirach, and Judith, and Tobias, and the Shepherd are not in the canon."

It wasn't until the Reformation and the Council of Trent that the Roman Catholic church - in an attempt to assert its dominance and authority - formally recognized them as part of the canon. But, even then, there was dissent among the very clergy that participated in the council. All this has been posted plenty of times before. It's surprising that you would assert something as if you were completely ignorant of those facts.

That you would compare a rejection of these books as God-breathed Scripture to an assertion that the Holy Spirit "cannot possibly be a part of the Trinity" only further demonstrates how ridiculous such arguments are.

97 posted on 08/25/2014 12:55:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
It wasn't until the Reformation and the Council of Trent that the Roman Catholic church - in an attempt to assert its dominance and authority - formally recognized them as part of the canon.

This is either an out right lie or the biggest load of bull ever.

Council of Rome 382 accepted them. Councils of Hippo and Carthage 393 and 397 respectively both accepted them.

As for your comments about Jerome: "What sin have I committed if I follow the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating [in my preface to the book of Daniel] the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susannah [Dan. 13], the Song of the Three Children [Dan. 3:29–68, RSV-CE], and the story of Bel and the Dragon [Dan. 14], which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they are wont to make against us. If I did not reply to their views in my preface, in the interest of brevity, lest it seem that I was composing not a preface, but a book, I believe I added promptly the remark, for I said, ‘This is not the time to discuss such matters’" (Against Rufinius 11:33 [A.D. 401]).

116 posted on 08/25/2014 4:27:05 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
You wanna insist that the Holy Spirit allowed error to remain in His Holy Word for roughly eighteen hundred years and then pretend to believe the Holy Spirit is perfect, knock yourself out. Just don't also pretend you weren't aware of the truth with you're judged by Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Matthew 12:32 "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven.

Denying the diety of the Holy Spirit by pretending that it is right and good to throw a large portion of the Old Testament into the garbate in order to avoid contridicting Protestant heresy without fail leads to hearing, "I never knew you" from the very same Jesus Christ who says that blaspheming the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

You either accept the diety of the Holy Spirit or you don't and if you accept the diety and perfection of the Holy Spirit you don't throw out a large portion of the Old Testament as it existed prior to and at the time of Christ and the Apostles so you can be comfortable defying the clear teaching of God in the Scriptures you throw out.

Someone spounting the trash about why they follow the same anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees Jesus Christ condemned rather than Christ and the Holy Spirit is spouting an excuse for why they follow Eve rather than Jesus Christ. It's that simple and straight forward.

May God have mercy on such pretenders and grant them Grace sufficient to deliver them from the strong delusion of Self and Self Alone they love and cling to.

117 posted on 08/25/2014 4:31:35 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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