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To: Talisker

Your words are like those described by Lewis in The Screwtape Letters. Jesus is either fully God or He is not. The ‘Christ’ that you refer to is a title, a descriptor. It is not meaningful when speaking of being a ‘Christian’. The followers of the Nazarene believed ( as mainstream Christians do today) that He was incarnate, He was fully God and fully human while on earth. That He was crucified, suffered and was buried. On the third day he rose again

Perhaps you ought to at least read the Nicene creed to see what orthodoxy is.

I don’t laugh at people’s ignorance. I feel sorry for them


38 posted on 08/01/2014 7:05:43 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

What makes you think I haven’t read the Nicene creed?

Let alone “at least”?

Of what concern is orthodoxy? By definition, orthodoxy cares only of orthodoxy. It doesn’t matter what I believe to orthodoxy - what matters to orthodoxy is that I do not accept orthodoxy. Because the purpose of orthodoxy is not belief - it’s too find out who is, and who isn’t, orthodox.

Of course, all people do because of that is declare their beliefs orthodox, and others not. And then arguments start concerning the definition of orthodoxy.

I said earlier that I believe that the Christ is that aspect of God which reaches down to us in Grace, and brings us back to God in Divine Mercy. I also said I believe that Jesus was the incarnation of this aspect of God in human form. That works for me, and I share it out of kindness and community. I don’t demand that anyone agree with it, or follow it. Not do I believe my understanding is perfect, or the only path, or that others are going to hell for not agreeing with me.

So for you to feel sorry for me over my belief, literally my belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, as representing spiritual ignorance is a bit astounding to me, as I really do not see much fault in it. After all, what part of the incarnation of God needed for salvation itself is such incredible fault that it will land me in eternal hell? Such an interpretation is something I see as ignorance, and sad. And if it is not a hellbound fault, how is it ignorance? And besides, what authority do you have to judge the relationship of another soul with God - or even to question it? The lack of humility in such behavior is nearly absolute.

Jesus said that the most important commandment, upon which all law and all the prophets hang, is to love God with all ones heart, and to love ones neighbor as oneself. Therefore, because of the premiere importance He put on it, that is what I believe to be the root of Christianity, what literally makes a Christian. Because Jesus also said to pray to the Father, and not to Him. And therefore I believe theories about His exact nature are secondary to following His teachings. Not to mention the question of how, exactly, is the human mind supposed to fully comprehend the nature of Jesus Christ? So these arguments, to me, are childish.

If the Nicene creed is the key to salvation, then I am not alone - all Protestants will go to hell with me. And if grace alone is the key, then I will not be alone in hell either, because all the Catholics will be with me for their belief in grave plus works. So judge away if it pleases you, but I personally don’t see what that sort of judgment has to do with being a Christian.

These beliefs bring me joy and peace and faith and the love of God, and teach me daily to love my neighbor as myself. If that represents spiritual ignorance to you, then I am sad for your inability to see the grace it represents in my life.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 11:12:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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