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To: NYer
The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.

He lost me right there at the start. Prosperous nations aren't "obliged" to do anything. Individuals may, based on their religious teachings, feel an obligation to help needy immigrants. But the state has no obligation to let immigrants in and force the taxpayer to pay for them. Period.

4 posted on 07/31/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. “

And how did prosperous nations become prosperous?

This leaves the sh**hole nations off the hook for their own corruption and mismanagement.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 3:50:09 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Why is he talking in terms of “nations” instead of individuals anyway?

What is a “prosperous nation”?


15 posted on 07/31/2014 4:04:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Maybe others have already answered this, but let me blunder on ahead anyway.

Our (that is, Catholic) thought is not as centered on “rights” theory as on two strands of thinking that we weave together. One is the OT theme that justice includes generosity and solicitude for the needy. The other is the notion that (a) justice is “rendering what is due”; and (b) the needy, by virtue of being human, are ‘due’ assistance. All this lives under the heading “solidarity.”

Lest this sound like “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” the other ‘pole’ of Catholic social thought is “subsidiarity.” This means that while the hungry infant is ‘due’ nourishment, the people who ought to provide it are his family. If they can’t, then the neighborhood, the village, then the county, then the state ... and so forth.

The countries south of the Rio Grande bear a great shame because they have ducked their responsibility. Because mercy is a duty, we bear SOME obligation to care for those they neglect — but not in a way which cripples our own nation or which relieves rich Mexicans from their shame.


18 posted on 07/31/2014 4:22:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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