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Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3

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To: CynicalBear
And I quote; “If you saw me in public, though, you would think I am a Catholic priest”.
781 posted on 07/29/2014 3:00:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

Especially your lack of understanding of Acts 15,...


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
782 posted on 07/29/2014 3:02:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: michaelwlf3

There’s an echo in here...


783 posted on 07/29/2014 3:03:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: michaelwlf3
What’s obvious to me is that most of you wouldn’t know an Anglican minister if if you bit one, because your Catholic hate is stronger than the little discernment you have.

Did you know that a cannibal will NOT eat a clown??

They taste funny...

784 posted on 07/29/2014 3:04:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

The apes I’VE seen throw something OTHER than, ahem, invective!


785 posted on 07/29/2014 3:04:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; Cronos; MamaB
This means that we worship Jesus Christ as the living Word, we do not believe that the Bible was existent before time or that it is divine of itself

It's good to know you got something right.

Muslims revere the Quran to the point that if a copy touches the floor, even accidentally, it must be solemnly buried. Now, I wouldn't use a copy of my Bible disrespectfully - like for toilet paper, but I respect it because it contains Divine revelation meant for all mankind to know the truth. No doubt there WOULD be Bible worshipers had we found the original autographs, but I think God knew that and ensured these letters didn't last. What we CAN be assured of is that there are thousands of manuscript copies and what the first believers had been given we also have available to us today - the whole counsel of God.

786 posted on 07/29/2014 3:05:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: daniel1212
narses: it's time for your YAWN image...
787 posted on 07/29/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The CHURCH; however; is infallible!"

It's only a billion souls or so. Who cares?

788 posted on 07/29/2014 3:06:41 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: narses

above


789 posted on 07/29/2014 3:08:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; daniel1212
>> "Do you know which denomination teaches this..." << . The Word of God! We are dealing with two separate concepts WRT "born again." Peter's, "ἀναγεννάω" (anagennaō) is not really a birth at all, but a change in state of mind, a regeneration, to follow Yeshua. Yeshua's, "γεννάω" (gennaō) is a literal birth of a new body, which was given in answer to Nicodemus' learned question: " How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" It was an honest request for understanding of a new concept. Yeshua was explaining physically entering the realm of the Father. Peter's "born again" can and must happen in this life, not in the future. It is the true beginning of our spiritual journey. Yeshua's "born again" is a literal birth of a "son of God," a being not of biological origin, but a unique special creation. This is what is meant by " becoming a son of God." The term "son of God" as used in the Bible WRT anyone but Yeshua means a creature not of biological origin, such as the Angels. WE must all become such a special creation to enter the realm of the Father. This happens at the First Resurrection, first the dead, and then the living. .
790 posted on 07/29/2014 3:40:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

That was the point......


791 posted on 07/29/2014 3:40:17 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums; daniel1212
One more time with proper formatting:

>> "Do you know which denomination teaches this..." <<

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The Word of God!

We are dealing with two separate concepts WRT "born again."

Peter's, "ἀναγεννάω" (anagennaō) is not really a birth at all, but a change in state of mind, a regeneration, to follow Yeshua.

Yeshua's, "γεννάω" (gennaō) is a literal birth of a new body, which was given in answer to Nicodemus' learned question: " How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

It was an honest request for understanding of a new concept. Yeshua was explaining physically entering the realm of the Father.

Peter's "born again" can and must happen in this life, not in the future. It is the true beginning of our spiritual journey.

Yeshua's "born again" is a literal birth of a "son of God," a being not of biological origin, but a unique special creation.

This is what is meant by " becoming a son of God."

The term "son of God" as used in the Bible WRT anyone but Yeshua means a creature not of biological origin, such as the Angels. WE must all become such a special creation to enter the realm of the Father.

This happens at the First Resurrection, first the dead, and then the living. .

792 posted on 07/29/2014 3:51:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Why should I have to change my image because you and your little friends here can’t act like Christians?


793 posted on 07/29/2014 4:15:12 PM PDT by michaelwlf3
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To: metmom

I was actually wondering how the price of eggs got into this conversation anyway.


794 posted on 07/29/2014 4:36:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor

And what legalist don’t like about Christianity it liberty.


795 posted on 07/29/2014 4:58:57 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: michaelwlf3

God forbid YOU’D bother to change.

What’s it like to be perfect?


796 posted on 07/29/2014 4:59:43 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums

That’s one of those kooky Michael Rood teachings.


797 posted on 07/29/2014 5:04:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: michaelwlf3; metmom

If it looks like a Catholic, talks like a Catholic, Acts like a Catholic.


798 posted on 07/29/2014 5:09:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Religion Moderator
Better wording would have been either/or. It would be best to have a link though.

Yet for polemical value the author or source name can be of much value, but i understand your concern is only copyright.

Bible verses and the Constitution are in the public domain.

Indeed, and easily recognizable for what they, unlike many other public domain sources, and i would assume that in such a case you would want to know the source in order to make sure. Plus it is ethical. I cannot see quoting swaths from the Westminster Confession or Catholic Encyclopedia without attribution.

799 posted on 07/29/2014 5:54:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: caww

The other party that was also pinged


800 posted on 07/29/2014 5:56:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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