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Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
There are so many rotten splinters in the protestant branch of christianity. Protestant and Catholic Christian churches stand vacant, are converted into mosques or museums. If history repeats itself - it may be time for all to be sorted out like at Beziers, France on July 22, 1209.
You are simply wrong.
Is it then your contention that the angel was actually praying to Mary when he said “hail Mary”? That’s what Catholics are doing. (and please don’t come back with “we don’t pray to Mary. That’s been debunked by the very prayers listed on Catholic sites.) Jesus said to pray directly to the Father in His name. Catholics disrespect both the Father and Jesus when they pray to Mary.
Welcome to the Biblical understanding of asking Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. No earthly priest needed.
Exactly. The twisting of scripture by the RCC is astounding.
“Welcome to the Biblical understanding of asking Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. No earthly priest needed.”
False. Christ sent priests for confession (John 20:19-23). The Catho9lic view of confession IS the Biblical view.
You just contradicted your prior post about not needing to confess to the priest. So which is it?
A servant is no greater than his master. Like Rome, the RC can operate from a double standard. Meanwhile, the The church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, and inheritors of promises of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation.
And instead the church established its Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.) while the alternative is sola ecclesia - the church alone being the supreme authority, with its presuppositions - but the RCs do not (wisely) or should not want to go there. Yet which is an admission that it is not Scriptural (which matters not under Rome).
“You just contradicted your prior post about not needing to confess to the priest. So which is it?”
I in no way contradicted myself.
They do insist they serve the same god as the Muslim’s.
That is no more than a very bad translation of the scriptures coupled with a commentary on the scriptures and is in the same rank as the 'Watchtower Magazine'...
And who are they protesting against??? Other Catholics...If your religion was anti-abortion it would eliminate all those Bishops who support the pro abortion Democrat Party...
You're nuts...
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24
I Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
“That is no more than a very bad translation of the scriptures”
No, actually the RSV is a generally well regarded translation. It has always had its enemies - but so does every other translation (including the KJV, NIV, NKJV, NAB, NEB, etc).
“coupled with a commentary on the scriptures and is in the same rank as the ‘Watchtower Magazine’...”
Again, false. No scholars works on the Watchtower Magazine. Only scholars work on the ISB. I know one of them personally. He is a brilliant scholar, formerly a Protestant minister, who discovered the truth of the Catholic faith and converted. There are no such scholars who work for the Watchtower Magazine.
It amazes me to what lengths Protestant anti-Catholics will go to defame all things Catholic.
“You’re nuts...”
Nope.
It does not invalidate anything Talisker has said.
Making up numbers out of whole cloth to make things seem worse than they actually are pretty much does invalidate his case because it make everything suspect.
The other fact that prots seem to LOVE ignoring is to take the times something occurred into account.
Was using leeches 200 years ago for medical treatment or inserting red hot pokers into wound to stave off infections barbaric? No it was state of the art Medicine at the time. As knowledge and times change cultures change.
Prots need to realize that times and attitudes about things change.Stop judging everything by such a modern view point.
Even without looking at the Greek, the English translation is clear enough.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:
2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων
The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.
The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”
The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”
I would agree with that. Saying she was right was a wise thing to do.
Eagleone replied; If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.
ES I would love you to give this attention it deserves. I am going to sit over here in the corner eating my popcorn
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