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Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Wow! So even the Catholics see it ey? See, we do agree on something!! :-)
Pretty much no. The last known Cathar perfectus in the Languedoc, Guillaume Bélibaste, was executed in the autumn of 1321. So by five years later, the Catholic Church could pretty much say that it had hunted down, slaughtered and burned alive every last man, woman and child who believed in Christ outside of the Church.
So yeah, you're right.
Could the church save without Christ?
Exactly. Her nation had been taken into exile in Babylon because of idols. It was only the grace of God that brought them back; teaching the children of Israel a lesson they did not want to repeat.
Mankind will produce idols out of anything and she would be horrified to see statues of herself paraded around and folks bowing to them. She would say 'Don't those people fear God?', 'He hates idols of all kinds and punishes those that bow down to them and pray to them'.
Your reading comprehension seems to be a little less than adequate...
Did Mary tell Jesus to make more wine??? Did Mary instruct the servants on what to do after Jesus gave her directions??? Did the married couple ask Mary to solve their problem??? Of course not...
There was exactly ZERO intercession on Mary's part...There is nothing indicating we should go to Mary as an intercessor...Talk about 'private interpretation'!!!
So you were baptised as a baby and had no say in the matter? And now as an adult you choose not to be Catholic?
Too late. No one leaves. Can't be any other way. Impossible. Come back to the Church you sinfully abandoned, or go to hell forever. You gotta prollum witdat?
I hear all this talk about the “church” but not a whole lot on following the Bible and Jesus Christ. It’s quite a smokescreen they have going.
“You know, I think you’re a crypto-Protestant.”
And that’s all the more reason to repeat: “Honestly you seem out of touch with reality.”
“You’re everything anyone ever rejected the Catholic Church over, all rolled up into one egomaniacal jerk.”
Look in the mirror when you say that.
“All anyone has to do is read what you post, and they reject even the smallest thought of becoming a Catholic.”
Actually no. In fact, at another website two anti-Catholics I often debated with there became Catholics and both credited me with being part of why they converted so you’re wrong again.
“You even make Catholics cringe.”
Possibly some. And some of them make me cringe as well for this or that reason. At least they don’t lie like anti-Catholics do so often.
“Brilliant, actually. You must piss the Jesuits off to no end.”
Some - the Protestant-like ones.
That's because, historically speaking, the notion of Christ being separated from His Church is a relatively new protestant fallacy.
The only smokescreen is the one wherein protestants, using radical individualism and secular rationalism, justify their disobedience to Christ's Church.
What an asinine statement...Can not love God outside of the Catholic Church...And that's because God IS the Catholic Church, eh???
It's hard to believe the leader of your religion can be so stupid...
Neither your pope nor any of you apparently have any concept of what a biblical personal relationship with Jesus Christ is...Your pope seems to think it is getting baptized into your religion and eating a wafer...
I made my statement before it occurred to me that you pope has no idea what he's talking about on that issue (as well)...
And here we see the protestant predilection for style over substance. Which is why they will forsake Truth to assuage their feelings. It's not unlike how they bounce from "pastor" to "pastor" in their ecclesial communities because they, "failed to speak to their heart."
You even make Catholics cringe.”
I'm not cringing. In fact I was inspired by Vlad to join the discussion.
Yep, that what your pope says...You don't even have to be a Christian...You don't have to believe in God and can even be an atheist...But by jimminy if got baptized (by a Catholic) you are a full fledged Catholic...
Well you win the award.
And you bought that hook, line and sinker, eh???
I believe you.
Why not? FR Protestants demonstrate their ignorance of the Catholic faith every day. I'm sure the general protestant population is not exempt.
You were wrong. Again. That’s all that really matters here. You made a claim. It was false. The pope says - very clearly we must have a personal relationship with Christ:
“Hence the way of belonging to God is explained: it comes about THROUGH A UNIQUE AND PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS,
which Baptism confers on us from the beginning of our rebirth to new life. It is Christ, therefore, who continually summons us by his word to place our trust in him, loving him “with all the heart, with all the understanding, and with all the strength” (Mk 12:33). Therefore every vocation, even within the variety of paths, always requires an exodus from oneself in order to centre one’s life on Christ and on his Gospel.”
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-listen-and-follow-jesus-for-day-of-pr
You were wrong. Again.
JPX2011, you are right on target here:
“And here we see the protestant predilection for style over substance”
That’s why I say so many of them are like emotional Middle School girls. It doesn’t matter to them what the truth is. They only care about their subjective feelings.
“I’m not cringing. In fact I was inspired by Vlad to join the discussion.”
Thanks, JPX2011. I know I’m harsh at times with them but the lying on their part is just so frequent and atrocious that I find it difficult to be as charitable as I should be.
You're welcome. Somebody has to do it and it looks like you have the charism and the duty.
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