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To: CTrent1564

It doesn’t say the use of the word “father” is bad. But why does the Catholic church abuse names so much and why do they walk so closely to lines drawn by God. “Call no one Father” so the RCC makes it a title. “Don’t worship the queen of heaven” so the RCC makes that one of Mary’s hundreds of titles. “Do not worship images” so the RCC fills it’s buildings and houses with images. “Holy Father, keep through your Name” from John 17 and the RCC takes it upon itself to invent a Pope and give him one of God’s names. “Blesses are the breasts which nursed you. Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and do it” so the RCC invents/revives the worship of a Goddess while calling her Mary and using every synonym of worship they can think of to describe how to feel about her.


169 posted on 06/29/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: DungeonMaster

DungeonMaster:

Because the way you understand those things is not the way Catholic Theology understands those things. Icons and images are not worshiped they are venerated and honored. The question regarding the incons/images, sacred art, etc was one dealt with in the 2nd Council of Nicea in 787. Rejection of Icons/images is taken to be an attack on the Incarnation.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum07.htm

The Catholic Church does not give the Pope one of God’s names. Calling Pope Holy Father is not calling him God. The Pope is not Holy on his own power, it is a sign of respect sense he has been called or dedicated to serve God in a special way. In fact, Saint Peter in his Letter [1 Pet 1:14-15] writes “As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, be {holy} yourselves in all your conduct since it is written “You shall be holy for I am holy” [Saint Peter again citing OT scripture here from Lev 11:44; Lev 19:2; Lev 20:7]. Saint Paul demonstrates a similar theology as Saint Peter with respect to the use of “holy” when he writes “I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, {holy} and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be {transformed} by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect” [Romans 12:1-2]

In the Nicene Creed, it speaks of the Church as “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic”, again not Holy because of its members, but because Christ is the head of it which is His Body and he is fully present in her.

As for Mary as “Queen of Heaven”, it is prefigured in the OT as shown in the 2 cites below, one of them Eastern Orthodox, not Catholic. In the OT, the Mother of the King was anointed Queen, not the wife. Jesus thus as the true eternal King, and Mary as Queen of Heaven fits this OT typology perfectly.

http://theorthodoxfaith.com/mary-as-the-queen-of-heaven/

http://www.catholic-convert.com/blog/2012/08/21/mary-queen-of-heaven/


171 posted on 06/29/2014 3:33:57 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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