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To: CTrent1564
I have seen the videos where invitations of sorts were exchanged between Copeland and Francis, along with more generalized welcoming and friendly conversation, some time back.

Beyond that;
I am aware enough of Catholic perspectives, though you of course are free to state or restate those as you will.

Not desiring to break it all down myself (from perhaps both perspectives?) in attempt to unpack and examine the whole entire thing, my own limited words avoided entering into doing that very thing, for the sort of things which are central to my own impressions, in that those are the hinges upon which much could well enough turn, are themselves difficult to fully express without unduly labeling those aspects which are right enough and just, by describing the aspects which are not -- right or fully "just", with these considerations being things of spirit, and discernment of the same.

I may need to beg pardon for myself being so cryptic, but for now that will have to be the way it is, though I do wish to remind any and all, that attempts at mind-reading when aimed towards myself most often fail --- perhaps one or two portions of things (of which there yet many more) may be understood, in that there is not only one 'elephant' (which blind men would attempt to describe) but there is a small herd of them, and other creatures besides. :^')

Who could tell me my mind? Is there a prophet [here on this forum] whom could discern it? Some here I am on similar [enough] wave-lengths with, or can be at times, if past is any prologue. I can understand them often enough, and in turn be understood (for the most part).

But not right here here and now.

No...I do not think you know that which I know...but as to Catholicism itself, and what range of things could be as thoughts there, or perspectives -- I do much understand, disagreeing with *some aspects* not for reason of not understanding particular overall "sense", and where and how things may be perceived to fit together --- which can be difficult to describe -- for the mysterious workings of the body which some Catholics seem to think only they can know of, or that those of their own church do, are much the same far from the narrower confines of Rome, both for ill, and in the last -- towards the good, which only real good being that which is truly Holy, even the Father in Heaven, as Christ himself did say.

136 posted on 06/28/2014 4:27:32 PM PDT by BlueDragon (mongo pawn in game but never forget mongo playa too...and it's his turn to move)
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To: BlueDragon

Blue Dragon:

Fair enough Post. That the Pope is willing to meet people is in and of itself not a bad thing. This Pope tends to do that a lot. That is his right. Again, meeting with folks, even if you disagree with them or you do not share 100% of their theology is better than what Catholics and Protestants did in the 16th century. We can agree to disagree and do it charitably, although some FR Prots here do test my patience and ability to be charitable. Pope Francis is better at it than I am.

So the other day, the Pope met with a group of American prosperity gospel evangelicals, which the OP in this thread shows.

On June 16th, the Pope met with the Head of the Anglican Communion in Rome. Here is Justin Welby’s, the Leader of the Anglican Communion’s address to the Pope.

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/5345/archbishop-justins-address-to-pope-francis

According to the BBC, one of the topics was for the Catholic and Anglicans to work together to stop human trafficking. Not necessarily a bad thing. On that I think we all can agree. Of course this does not mean the Catholic Church agrees with everything the Anglicans are doing and the Anglicans don’t agree with us. But again, talking is not a bad thing in this case.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27861907

Finally, the Pope today met with the Delegation from the Greek Orthodox Church representing the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinopile. Now, my guess is the discussions with the Orthodox will be much more about serious theological issues than the Pope’s discussions with the American prosperity evangelicals and the Anglican Primate Justin Welby. I think the Link below will clearly demonstrate that.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/06/28/pope_francis_meets_delegation_of_ecumenical_patriarchate_/1102283

So in my view, talking with the Orthodox Church is of utmost importance for we and they are in agreement on 99% of things. Talking with the Anglicans 50 years ago would have also been of importance, 2nd behind the Orthodox, since they are structured as an Anglican Communion and there is a dialogue partner. However, the issues of women’s ordination, women Bishops, etc, have moved us further away so any hopes for full communion between Rome and Anglicanism I think are gone. Still, talking to them to work on ministries that can solve things like human slavery is a good thing to do.

Finally, as for the American prosperity gospel evangelicals/Pentecostals. I don’t really know what can come out of that. Maybe better relations can arise and Catholics can work with this branch of Protestantism on some things like aiding the poor,providing medical care and education, etc in South America, where this type of Protestantism seems to be popular.


148 posted on 06/28/2014 7:38:45 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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