Posted on 06/26/2014 5:05:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
(Had to cut it very slightly to do the required 300-word excerpt.)
Of FFI interest.
Absolutely nuts, crazy, demented, disturbed, mad, sick, unbalanced, unhinged, insane, screwball, and softheaded that any permission needs to be asked of anybody at any time.
I agree.
I forgot demonically inspired.
Why the name calling?
Could it be that Pope Francis wants peace in the Church?
Maybe to get permission to celibrate the TLM as a special rite in the Church.
Thanks, Mrs. Don-o.
And by the way, a priest ought not need special permission from his Bishop or Superior to celebrate the TLM; no more than you would need permission to pray the Liturgy of the Hours or any other Catholic sacred rite.
I'm not denying the role of the Bishop as chief liturgist and as the priests' lawful superior with the duty to require that things be done in good order. I'm just saying it should not be treated like something you have to argue about or justify. That is senseless.
I suspect the meeting was an attempt at damage control. FFI seminarians are apparently jumping ship, and some members are reportedly requesting release from their pontifical vows.
The whole idea that there is even the idea of “getting permission” to say the mass that has been the mass for hundreds of years. I will never understand how anyone can say that with a straight face.
I certainly do NOT want wholesale revolt against the bishops' and religious superiors' lawful authority to control liturgy within their dioceses or orders. What I object to is creating barriers to the growth and flourishing of TLM communities.
The TLM is not a museum piece and Catholics who love the TLM are not like Civil War reenactors who want to pretend they're in the past. The TLM is not old: it is timeless. It is eternal. There should be the broadest liberty within the bounds of good order. Ecclesiastical superior should be delighted to foster it, and see it done with devotion.
But tht approval should be routine. "Good order" ought to included a grateful joy that more people are loving and participating in this beautiful liturgy, which is or ought to be respected as the heart of our culture and heritage.
The default setting should be "Yes, Deo gratias."
So, it isn't "just pastoral" in nature. Interesting, indeed.
My post wasn’t only directed at Biggirl’s comments. It was more general in nature based on the constant talk about “getting permission”. I understand what you are saying, but I still find it crazy that the TLM has been relegated to the back of the proverbial bus in favor of a Protestant “mass”.
Actually, there's less reason to call the N.O. "Protestant," since the N.O. still has men in valid orders pronouncing valid consecrations, you still have the Sacrifice, the Transubstantiation and the Sacrament. See what I mean? Catholic and Protestant are quite different in their central liturgical aspects, as most on both sides would justly agree.
That still avoids the point that the Catholic mass for hundreds of years has been relegated to the back of the bus.
And so many Catholics see nothing wrong with that whatsoever.....including the hierarchy.
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