Posted on 06/26/2014 5:05:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Father Frederico Lombardi, the Vatican's official spokesman, revealed in an official statement regarding the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate on Wednesday that a house is being sought in Rome for members of the religious order studying at the Vatican's Pontifical colleges and universities. The news that community living quarters are desired for members of the order are a clear indication that relations between the Congregation and the FFI are warming significantly.
Father Lombardi revealed that the seminarians of the order were received in private audience at the St. Martha Residence to meet with the Holy Father, Pope Francis, along with Father Fidinzio Volpi, the Commissioner appointed by the Vatican to supervise the reform of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The FFI is known around the world for the preference of its members for the Tridentine Mass, as celebrated according to the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal.
This practice is not only normally permitted, but is more widely used in the Church today than at any time since the 1960's because of the apostolic letter of Pope Benedict XVI Sommorum Pontificum, which permitted the wider celebration of the "old rite" within the Church. However, the FFI came under criticism because some houses were celebrating the 1962 Rite exclusively, and were not saying Mass at all according to the current rite in use. At present, while the FFI are under the control of an apostolic delegate, its priests must ask permission to celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form.
The meeting between Pope Francis and FFI seminarians this week may indicate that this more strict supervision may soon come to an end, and that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate may be able to return to wider use of the Extraordinary Form for themselves and the faithful that they serve.
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Of FFI interest.
Absolutely nuts, crazy, demented, disturbed, mad, sick, unbalanced, unhinged, insane, screwball, and softheaded that any permission needs to be asked of anybody at any time.
I agree.
I forgot demonically inspired.
Why the name calling?
Could it be that Pope Francis wants peace in the Church?
Maybe to get permission to celibrate the TLM as a special rite in the Church.
Thanks, Mrs. Don-o.
And by the way, a priest ought not need special permission from his Bishop or Superior to celebrate the TLM; no more than you would need permission to pray the Liturgy of the Hours or any other Catholic sacred rite.
I'm not denying the role of the Bishop as chief liturgist and as the priests' lawful superior with the duty to require that things be done in good order. I'm just saying it should not be treated like something you have to argue about or justify. That is senseless.
I suspect the meeting was an attempt at damage control. FFI seminarians are apparently jumping ship, and some members are reportedly requesting release from their pontifical vows.
The whole idea that there is even the idea of “getting permission” to say the mass that has been the mass for hundreds of years. I will never understand how anyone can say that with a straight face.
I certainly do NOT want wholesale revolt against the bishops' and religious superiors' lawful authority to control liturgy within their dioceses or orders. What I object to is creating barriers to the growth and flourishing of TLM communities.
The TLM is not a museum piece and Catholics who love the TLM are not like Civil War reenactors who want to pretend they're in the past. The TLM is not old: it is timeless. It is eternal. There should be the broadest liberty within the bounds of good order. Ecclesiastical superior should be delighted to foster it, and see it done with devotion.
But tht approval should be routine. "Good order" ought to included a grateful joy that more people are loving and participating in this beautiful liturgy, which is or ought to be respected as the heart of our culture and heritage.
The default setting should be "Yes, Deo gratias."
So, it isn't "just pastoral" in nature. Interesting, indeed.
My post wasn’t only directed at Biggirl’s comments. It was more general in nature based on the constant talk about “getting permission”. I understand what you are saying, but I still find it crazy that the TLM has been relegated to the back of the proverbial bus in favor of a Protestant “mass”.
Actually, there's less reason to call the N.O. "Protestant," since the N.O. still has men in valid orders pronouncing valid consecrations, you still have the Sacrifice, the Transubstantiation and the Sacrament. See what I mean? Catholic and Protestant are quite different in their central liturgical aspects, as most on both sides would justly agree.
That still avoids the point that the Catholic mass for hundreds of years has been relegated to the back of the bus.
And so many Catholics see nothing wrong with that whatsoever.....including the hierarchy.
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