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1 posted on 06/21/2014 6:51:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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The delusion must end: Vatican II was not a new Pentecost. A renewal of the Church can only come from the "old" Pentecost, the first and only Pentecost, whose living word is Apostolic Tradition straight from the Lord --

There is no apostolic tradition straight from the Lord or any one else...

(Jn 14: 26: "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.")

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This verse proves apostolic tradition from the Lord is total nonsense...Jesus spoke to the apostles and did many things but nothing was written down...Jesus knew they would forget many details...

Jesus tells the apostles that he will send the Holy Spirit to refresh their memories of what was said and what took place...

This has nothing to do with future Christians...This promise was for those who were in direct personal contact with Jesus while he was on earth...

2 posted on 06/21/2014 8:38:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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Vatican II was and is a major disaster in the Catholic Church. It was more of a marketing strategy to get more people into church than anything else.

Hence, major loss of respect for the clergy; filthy hands grasping the consecrated host; women all over the altar; homosexuals infesting the seminaries; masses in English; Saturdays becoming the Sabbath so people could sleep in or play golf; etc.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 4:04:53 AM PDT by laweeks
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As every committee-based document of the past five decades, however, it is often confusing and unclear.

As all good Modernists do.

7 posted on 06/22/2014 5:38:58 AM PDT by piusv
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I agree with the author generally. Nobody in 2014, surveying the carnage of the last 50 years of Church history, could possibly believe that Vatican II was anything but an unqualified disaster. Vatican II was a bomb that went off in the Church. Entire orders of religious were closed. Catholic colleges were infiltrated and turned to the Dark Side. Two generations were not catechized in any meaningful way. No, Vatican II was a terrible calamity for the Church. There can be no denying that.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 9:02:48 AM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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