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To: NKP_Vet; RegulatorCountry
From the article:

    In stories published June 3 and June 8 about young children buried in unmarked graves after dying at a former Irish orphanage for the children of unwed mothers, The Associated Press incorrectly reported that the children had not received Roman Catholic baptisms; documents show that many children at the orphanage were baptized. The AP also incorrectly reported that Catholic teaching at the time was to deny baptism and Christian burial to the children of unwed mothers; although that may have occurred in practice at times it was not church teaching. In addition, in the June 3 story, the AP quoted a researcher who said she believed that most of the remains of children who died there were interred in a disused septic tank; the researcher has since clarified that without excavation and forensic analysis it is impossible to know how many sets of remains the tank contains, if any. The June 3 story also contained an incorrect reference to the year that the orphanage opened; it was 1925, not 1926.

All it sounds like AP is apologizing for is their printing of a story in which "some" points were not factual which they had been told. It sounds like there is STILL an ongoing investigation and all the FACTS are not known. We now are told:

1. Only "some" children who died were baptized (but not all). How many? No one knows yet. How many that were put into the mass grave? We don't know yet.

2. That children born to unwed mothers were denied baptism because it was "church" teaching is clarified that it wasn't "church" teaching to deny baptism even though they don't know if some were still denied it anyway in practice.

3. The part of the story that dead children's bodies were placed in a used septic tank hasn't yet determined if it WAS a septic tank and won't be known unless and until an excavation is done. Yet, we do know that blueprints of the property show a "septic tank" in the same spot. Let's not forget many Catholics here accepted that it was a septic tank "re-purposed" for a burial vault. What is so volatile about this?

4. Until, or unless, there is an excavation, no one knows how many of the 796 children and babies who died there were buried in this structure. That eye witnesses say they SAW small skeletal remains in there when the lid was moved, hasn't changed and their testimony has not been recanted. That there were no burial records for nearly 800 children who died at that home was what prompted the whole story in the first place.

5. Finally, the year the home was opened was off a year in the AP report. Is that a HUGE deal?

If those pitching a fit now towards others who DARED post a thread or a comment bemoaning what might have gone on there would look back at those threads, they would see the SAME comments of NOT condemning anyone until all the facts are known - I know I said it several times. This apology from the AP is admirable but only in the sense that they were able to correct the errors they had previously printed. From what I can see, there is a full investigation going on and the people of Tuam, Ireland are just as concerned about getting to the truth as we all should be. In other words, don't jump the gun demanding apologies for something you don't even know the full truth yet.

50 posted on 06/21/2014 4:40:02 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: boatbums

Like I predicted in other threads and in this one, nothing will pacify the blood lust for some on FR. Joining with liberal websites the FR Catholic bashers still full steam ahead in their hoping and praying that Catholic nuns are the children of satan. Let me say this. Pathetic and sad, but such is life when hatred of the Catholic Church is your reason for living.


64 posted on 06/21/2014 5:41:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: boatbums
All it sounds like AP is apologizing for is their printing of a story in which "some" points were not factual which they had been told. It sounds like there is STILL an ongoing investigation and all the FACTS are not known. We now are told:

1. Only "some" children who died were baptized (but not all). How many? No one knows yet. How many that were put into the mass grave? We don't know yet.

2. That children born to unwed mothers were denied baptism because it was "church" teaching is clarified that it wasn't "church" teaching to deny baptism even though they don't know if some were still denied it anyway in practice.

3. The part of the story that dead children's bodies were placed in a used septic tank hasn't yet determined if it WAS a septic tank and won't be known unless and until an excavation is done. Yet, we do know that blueprints of the property show a "septic tank" in the same spot. Let's not forget many Catholics here accepted that it was a septic tank "re-purposed" for a burial vault. What is so volatile about this?

4. Until, or unless, there is an excavation, no one knows how many of the 796 children and babies who died there were buried in this structure. That eye witnesses say they SAW small skeletal remains in there when the lid was moved, hasn't changed and their testimony has not been recanted. That there were no burial records for nearly 800 children who died at that home was what prompted the whole story in the first place.

5. Finally, the year the home was opened was off a year in the AP report. Is that a HUGE deal?

Good summation of the apology. Thanks!

68 posted on 06/22/2014 7:07:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: boatbums; narses; NKP_Vet
If those pitching a fit now towards others who DARED post a thread or a comment bemoaning what might have gone on there would look back at those threads, they would see the SAME comments of NOT condemning anyone until all the facts are known

If only those who claimed the Tuam home is a yet another damning disclosure of a Church-run institution in Ireland had waited until the facts were known.

69 posted on 06/22/2014 8:19:13 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: boatbums

You were one of the main instigators perpetuating this story, and your comments were full of snide innuendo about the Catholic Church. In fact, I don’t recall many statements from you about waiting for the facts to come out before judging the situation. Therefore, it is very disingenuous of you now to claim that was your position.


74 posted on 06/22/2014 5:47:03 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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