Oh come on now. Enough with this. Even I would never say that the Vatican II Church believes this.
Please just stop.
Really. One of the most pathetic and baseless ongoing rants I’ve seen at FR. I’m an agnostic on creationism vs intelligent design. That doesn’t make me an excommunicated Catholic.
Seeing as how your Church won't admit anyone who doesn't believe in evolution
Oh come on now. Enough with this. Even I would never say that the Vatican II Church believes this.
Please just stop.
Now you listen to me.
I converted to your church some thirty years ago. I tried to remain loyal despite the fact that every Catholic newspaper, magazine, and brochure spent all its time attacking "Biblical literalism" as the ultimate antithesis of everything Catholic--worse than abortion, worse than "Freemasonry," worse than anything.
While I was far from home at a left-wing graduate school where the Bible (and even the "new testament") was being torn to shreds I turned to "my" church for help. And all I got was told to leave. That's right. The "denominational counselor" at the university where I was studying told me I should not be in the Catholic Church because the way I believed (ie, all the stuff in the Bible, including Genesis, actually happened, the Biblical books are not pseudepigraphical forgeries, etc.) was "un-Catholic" and I didn't belong in this so-called "universal church." Nancy Pelosi has never been told to get out. Hans Kung has never been told to get out. But I was told to get out. And because in my patheticness I still believed Catholicism was the true religion and I was therefore bad, I went and confessed my "Biblical literalism" to the local priest. Not some young hippie, but an older guy with white hair. He spent some fifteen minutes (with a crowd forming outside the confessional) telling me all the "mistakes" and "errors" in the Bible. And still I couldn't leave because historically Catholicism was the true chrstianity.
You will never know what that was like. You will never know the feeling of going to a mass and denying yourself communion because your traditional beliefs make you "bad" and out of harmony with the "unchanging" and yet new-age Catholic Church.
So please don't ever tell me to cut anything out. I've been somewhere in your church you don't even know exists.
I have nothing more to say to you about this.