To: Dallas59
Are you on a cross?
Peter said baptism saves us.
6 posted on
06/15/2014 1:00:16 PM PDT by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: Bryan24
Peter said baptism saves us.Can you point to a verse on that?
10 posted on
06/15/2014 1:03:57 PM PDT by
RoosterRedux
(Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
To: Bryan24
"Most people are aware that there are different points of view on the question of whether baptism is required for salvation. Scripture, however, is abundantly clear. Baptism is NOT required for salvation.
Christian baptism has its roots in a much older tradition. Converts to Judaism were baptized in a ritual bath called a MIKVAH. This immersion was a public statement that you wanted to join a community of faith, that you believed as they did, and that you intended to live that way. There are other uses for MIKVAH, such as in preparation for beginning ministry as a Jewish priest, cleansing tools and utensils for use in the Temple, and so on.
When Jesus was baptized, He was beginning His ministry. When those who came after Him were baptized, they were making a public statement of their belief in Jesus as the Messiah, and of their intention to join the Christian community. Theres no part of the ritual that leads to salvation.
Of course, Christians were commanded to be baptized in Scripture
but not until they were Christians. While there are certainly a few verses that appear to teach that baptism cleanses a person from sin, closer inspection shows that they dont. We have examples of people being saved before baptism, and that should clear things up. Certainly the thief on the cross comes to mind, as do the words of Romans 6:3-4
Or dont you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Baptism symbolizes Jesus death and resurrection, and our decision to partake in the benefits of His sacrifice. Paul pointed to the fact that salvation doesnt require baptism when he wrote to the Corinthians :
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul definitely would not say that if baptism were necessary to go to heaven. Possibly the most damaging evidence against the belief that baptism is a requirement for salvation is found in Acts 10 :
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.
The Gentiles (non-Jews) believed the gospel and were saved
and then they were baptized. Again, Scripture is clear on the matter.
11 posted on
06/15/2014 1:04:45 PM PDT by
Dallas59
("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
To: Bryan24
Baptism doesn’t save you if you have not first accepted Jesus as your savior.
18 posted on
06/15/2014 1:11:21 PM PDT by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: Bryan24
31 posted on
06/15/2014 1:20:07 PM PDT by
aumrl
(let's keep it real Conservatives)
To: Bryan24
That is ridiculous, faith In Jesus Christ saves. It goes against the whole counsel Word of God to believe otherwise.
To: Bryan24
Peter said baptism saves us.And Peter also said that water doesn't save us...
104 posted on
06/15/2014 3:41:56 PM PDT by
Iscool
To: Bryan24
Peter said baptism saves us. So you follow Peter, and not Jesus then?
The thief on the cross next to Jesus is proof we do not need to be baptized in order to be Saved, rather submitting one's self to baptism is an act of faith and obedience.
Baptism does not equal salvation. Jesus in one's heart and life is what saves. Nothing more, nothing less.
To say otherwise is to say Jesus' death on the cross wasn't for our sins.
161 posted on
06/15/2014 7:59:36 PM PDT by
usconservative
(When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
To: Bryan24
Peter said baptism saves us. And the thief on the cross proves that it doesn't.
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