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To: PapaNew

You have to come to grips with two things.

1. That Yeshua promised that his followers would be tribulated and killed. WE cannot avoid this except during the trib, those that keep his commandments will be taken to a special location here on Earth.

During the present period, his true followers are indeed being tribulated and killed, as can be seen in the news every day.

2. The tribulation is by Satan, not Yehova, and its sole purpose is to torment Yeshua’s followers.

Yehova’s wrath begins at the end of the trib, after his bride has been resurrected at the last trump, just like he plainly said in Matthew 24. The bowls are Yehova’s wrath on those that worshiped the beast.

Yeshua promised the Philadelphian church that he would protect those that kept his Torah during the trib, but not that he would take them out of the Earth.

Finally, it is Yeshua’s death and shed blood on the cross, not his physical punishment that pays for sin. He is our Passover Lamb. His stripes are only for our healing. (Isaiah 53:5, 1Peter 2:24)

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128 posted on 06/16/2014 2:22:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
1. No, Yeshua promised Israel, not the church, they would be tribulated and killed. This is a tough penalty for not accepting Jesus Christ beforehand, because it means they are left on the earth during the wrath of the Lamb.

2. No, Scripture specifically refers to the Tribulation as the wrath and judgement of the Lamb and God. As always, Satan is a tool in God's hands only THIS time, Satan prevails, but only for a very short time

Yehova’s wrath begins at the end of the trib, after his bride has been resurrected at the last trump, just like he plainly said in Matthew 24. The bowls are Yehova’s wrath on those that worshiped the beast.

This is certainly NOT the beginning of God's wrath according to Scripture. The first part of the tribulation is characterized as "the wrath of the Lamb" and the last part is characterized by "the wrath of God poured out without mixture" and includes three and a half years of the seven vials of God's wrath poured out upon the earth.

Yeshua promised the Philadelphian church that he would protect those that kept his Torah during the trib, but not that he would take them out of the Earth.

Your take only. Not consistent with the words of that portion of Scripture itself nor with what follows in Scripture.

Yeshua’s death and shed blood on the cross, not his physical punishment that pays for sin. He is our Passover Lamb. His stripes are only for our healing. (Isaiah 53:5, 1Peter 2:24)

His death and shed blood on the cross WAS a physical punishment which brought in the New Covenant whereby God promises not to remember any of our sins and iniquities which are now covered forever by the blood of the perfect sacrifice of Christ (Heb 8:12, 10:14,17). Our judgment is PAST and there is now NO condemnation or wrath for God's people.

130 posted on 06/16/2014 2:56:28 PM PDT by PapaNew
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