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To: CTrent1564
Ok, so from the time of Christ Ascension into heaven, all of those who died in this earth in communion with God are just dead.

Do you ever read Scripture, or do you follow what your cult says is the truth?

You read those texts and make conclusions that don’t follow from those texts.

You take a statement and try to bend it to support what the Roman cult defines as truth. I will provide clear Scripture that refutes the idea. I doubt you will agree, but the Word of God is clear WITHOUT INTERPRETATION!

No CONCLUSION is necessary when you follow the Word of God. It is succinct and requires no cult doctrinal determination. No matter what your group says is the truth, there is ONLY ONE TRUTH.

Your cult claims to originate the one universal (catholic, small "c") church, but claims to exclude any that do not follow their catechismal doctrines with hook, line, and heavy lead sinkers. It defies credulity that so many can be fooled, but when you take a baby, sprinkle it and declare it as saved (as long as they will remain faithful to the teachings of the cult), and raise it with constant manmade doctrines, nothing less can be expected.

Mohammedism follows a similar path, but adds even more ridiculous requirements, but they are the same in that they will persecute, torture, and even put to death those that disagree. For examples, see Roman Catholic history of their purges and persecutions.

1 Corinthians 15: 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4: 13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

24 posted on 06/08/2014 8:25:15 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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To: WVKayaker

Cult! If you are going to use that term then My Sicilian temper is going to shoot back. You reflect the typical redneck American fundamentalist protestant snake handler theology. Nobody among the Church Fathers interprets scripture the way “You do”. There are not 2 Churches are 2 parallel universes. There is One God and he is the God of the Living not the dead, to quote Christ when he was debating the Sadducees [Luke 20:37-38; Matt 22:32].

When a person dies, the Soul [which does not die] faces God in judgment. The Soul is the essence of who we are, although we are not Souls trapped in a body. Yes, the body is dead, but the soul is not. Those individuals who died with Christ, their souls are in Heaven. Those who reject Christ are in Hell. In the end, those are the 2 realities for every individual. To say that there are no souls in heaven or that they are dead is heresy. The Soul does not die, only the flesh. Now, at the final judgment, there will be a resurrection of the body, yes, and are bodies [those who die with Christ] will have a glorified bodies and look like him to reference both Saint Paul and Saint John


26 posted on 06/08/2014 8:42:21 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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