Posted on 06/07/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
I can't cut and paste from the device I'm using, but this article is an interview with the father of Matthew Vines, the author of "God and the Gay Chrisitan." Monte Vines says when his son told him he was "gay" a few years ago, they studied the Bible together and discovered things like the often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament (and on that, God says to the Israelites about things like shellfish that they "shall be abomination for you" - meaning the Jews). So the father changed his mind since there are many churches but he has only one son, he says . And the family left their church because it was Presbyterian USA, but the congregation voted to join another Presbyterian denomination that doesn't accept homosexual conduct.
It looks like the family was already attending a PCUSA(a denomination that already supports abortions and female elders as well as allowing ministers who deny things like the virgin birth, the resurrection and the infallibility of the Bible) so I think they lacked discernment skills long prior to this issue with the son.
how weak are Christian parents these days. They’ll tolerate any sin committed by their children because they don’t want to hurt their feelings.
Some Christian parents will ex-communicate their grandchildren cause their adult child asks them too.
>>often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament
He should read on into the New Testament until he gets to Romans 1:26-28. The “Shellfish Problem” solves itself there in no uncertain terms.
I’m calling Baloney on this father and son studying scripture. If this bogus shellfish argument convinced them, they haven’t spent more than a few minutes in their Bibles.
Perhaps he should have kept reading until he got through the New Testament.
The law firm is Adams Jones if anyone needs that type of lawyer in Kansas.
Good point.
“I know being a rapist is wrong but in my heart I know he still loves his mother so he can’t be all bad”.
The world has gone insane.
and I stand by my original post. I expect most Christians will post what you wrote.
Acts 10:9-16- “On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.”
I smell a troll. An anti-Catholic troll.
He killed his parents, but he’s an orphan now, how sad, let’s go easy on him.
You love the sinner, hate the sin, encourage conversion therapy to fix the unnatural attraction and pray for support and guidance.
I’m wondering when we’ll start seeing the shock stories of gay parents having a child come out as straight.
Can you imagine someone saying, ‘I used to think that doing heroin was wrong, but I changed my mind after my son started shooting up’?
Or ‘I used to think that armed robbery was wrong, but I changed my mind after my daughter held up a liquor store’?
Oh yeah. Try being a public defender for a while.
They "studied" (the son supplied his father excuses) the Bible as an intellectual exercise, whereas sodomy is a spiritual problem, refusing God's purpose for and design of the body as the vessel of a soul. Jehovah has never tempered His tolerance for one's misuse of his own or another's body, because its abuse demonstrates a warped soul and spirit, which is the abomination.
With the way our nation is degenerating, I figure we’ll probably have public defenders like that someday if not already.
That’s all you can do.
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