Posted on 06/07/2014 2:20:39 PM PDT by yongin
My denomination is dealing these days with a pastor in California who reversed his position on homosexuality. The pastor said that his shift coincided with his 15 year-old son’s announcement that he is gay. This is a situation every Christian should think through, now. As I’ve said before, at stake on the issue of a Christian sexual ethic is the gospel of Jesus Christ. But what if, sitting across from you, is your child or grandchild?
You will, without a doubt, have someone close to you in your family come out as gay or lesbian, if not already, then sometime in the future. How should a Christian parent or grandparent respond?
One of the reasons this is such a crushing experience for many is because they assume that their alternatives are affirmation or alienation. I either give up my relationship with my child or I give up the Bible. The gospel never suggests this set of alternatives, and in fact demonstrates just the opposite.
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Agreed, although sexual sin seems to companion many of those other sins. The unseen twin to sin is ingratitude.
I'm not sure how you got the "tarring of an entire group" by my account of my friend's sister. Very strange.
But now that you bring it up, the lives of homosexuals and lesbians do revolve around their lifestyle. It's their entire identity. I've known enough of them to be able to say so.
Besides, I don't need to try and tar the entire group. They do that themselves with their perverted behavior.
"None of the homosexuals I know of want SSM. One lesbian couple we know were recently married in Iowa, but they’re very old and have been together 30+ years."
We tend to concentrate on same sex "marriage", while losing sight of the fact that queer behavior, with or without "marriage", is just as wrong.
My opinion: adolescents DON'T know. They also don't have a CLUE as to the repercussions and consequences of their choice.
They don't usually reproduce. THAT'S a blessing.
Jesus Christ discriminated frequently. He discerned between criminal and righteous thinking and behavior.
He loved us so much that he obediently followed the Plan of God the Father to go to the Cross and die for the sins of all minkind, so that even homosexuals can turn away from their sin and still have a fellowship with God through faith in what Christ provided on the Cross.
Those who continue to wallow in sin and reject what He provided, by continuing to remain practicing homosexuals(1Cor 6:9) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I think your post is perfect. I agree. It’s no better or worse than any othe r sin.
Sorry if I misunderstood your post. We need to love these people back to Christ. They’re sinners, just like you and me.
Ok to all who criticized my knowledge of Christian theology: you would all be correct. Sorry for not fully knowing as much as you all.
I was thinkng of the harlot he was often with and even washed her feet. I suppose she was repentant. What if she failed again though, would he have given her another chance? Just wondering.
People see thievery are surface choices that don’t mark the soul and can be stopped by ‘good choices’ and/or the behavioral modeling of prisons. Homosexuality is being touted as a built in set of characteristics that people “can’t Help” and can never change...like skin color. They’ll even claim that “God made them that way” and how can homosexuality be wrong if God “made them that way”:. It becomes difficult to counter that argument since no one wants to “discriminate” or be accused of being a bigot...or a un- “loving” intolerant!
It’s wallow in your sin, celebrate your sin, declare it to be normal and recruit children into your sins
; which is what the homosexuals do.
I don’t know any other sin that is treated that way these days.
Christ was asked how often we should forgive those who sin against us then ask forgiveness again...he replied “70x’s 7”. See Matthew 18:21 thru the rest of the chapter as it gives context.
Christ acknowledges that Christians will still screw up and will show grace, but he wants us in turn to learn to extend that graciousness to our fellow creatures, especially our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. God forgives us for our screw ups so we also need to forgive one another, lest in our hard heartedness toward our brother and sisters, God will come and reprove us harshly for the same types of screw ups we are holding against our spiritual siblings.
Sure He would.
Don’t confuse a falling out of fellowship, with those who never came to Him, but claim He condones their sin.
What if your child goes into a gun-free zone and kills hundreds of people?
I think you are confusing the Agenda with the person. We are talking about “your son” in this conversation. “Your son” would be a good honest decent man, not into recruiting or celebrating. He probably would be devastated that he feels for other boys what he wishes he felt for girls.
“What if Your Child is Gay?”
Worse even, what if your child is a liberal democrat?!
You know, I have gone through the responses for this article, yet I haven’t seen something I’ve seen before in threads about homosexuality.
On previous threads, I have seen Freepers respond that if their child announced that they were gay, it would be grounds for a beating to within an inch of their life, then immediate expulsion from the house until they prove repentance. I do not remember names or dates, but I know I have seen them.
I am glad that this has NOT appeared.
They knew precisely which institutions to target, the entertainment industry, medical associations, political groups.
The schools , the media, the foundations, the military, sports, churches, corporations....
Is there anything left to conquer?
If the solution was simple, as you said, society wouldn’t be having the discussion or debate.
Of course you still love them...but that would depend on how and what you see as loving them, which would ‘not’ include enabling their behavior.
I do not see Homosexuality as a mental illness...though obvious there are mental issues that result from practicing it. But these come after the fact. IT is a a sexual addiction that begins by making wrong choices until, like all sexual addictions when they take hold, one needs help to change that behavior. That does not mean they are mentally ill.
I don’t think the father caused them pain, they brought their pain on themselves by insisting people accept their choice to engage in homosexual behavior. The problem was their inability to accept he did not agree with them. It was their attitude not his.
...”If that approval is slow in coming, she throws fits and threatens to deprive them of her presence”....
She is transferring her guilt.... her refusal to accept they disagree with her behavior is the very thing she is refusing them...to disagree and not accept her behavior.
Not uncommon for immature people to hold a hammer over family members, also not uncommon for homosexuals to be highly emotional or touchy feeley people. If indeed she is really a homosexual. There is a difference.
Some are not really homosexuals as it’s defined...rather they are experimenting with the behavior as one would other sexual encounters in today’s free sex society.....if they’re young it’s often simply rebellion, or a means for attention.
You mentioning ‘she gets her way’ indicates that might be the problem....some push the envelope of tolerance just to keep the family in a heightened state....which in itself is a “buzz” for them.
Either or she is controlling the family...and knows it.
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