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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

There are all sorts of charlatans and wicked people who PROFESS Christ but are wolves in sheep’s clothing, liars.

Many people may think such people are saved, but they “never knew” God.

They are simply liars.

The final accounting is when you can no longer repent for your sins and get right with God.

That’s when you die.

At THAT point, one’s record is final.

Stalin is clearly not saved, no matter if he went to Church, was a choirboy, or whatever.

It was all for nought.

Even if everyone and his aunt Tillie was fooled by him.


35 posted on 05/27/2014 2:07:55 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
The final accounting is when you can no longer repent for your sins and get right with God.

Maybe we can rephrase that a little bit to better convey the meaning.

The object in God's Plan is to glorify the Son, ..it's not all about us.

If we find ourselves out of fellowship, but God the Holy Spirit still indwells us. ...but for some reason we refuse to return to Him,...this places God in an awkward position, because He does nothing that is "good for nothingness".

This implies the Holy Spirit is not going to remain in us if He can't perform anything good in us. So if we are no longer in a state of any potential good by His Plan from eternity past, we are simply taken home is what is called the "sin unto death".

He may have other mechanisms available to Him, but His Integrity remains sound. If we are sealed, we remain sealed.

He might treat us like little spoiled kids. We might have fallen out of fellowship,...refuse to return to Him, ...even after He disciplines and punishes us,...and if we continue to throw tantrums, His hand isn't cornered to perform our selfish volition. He might simply ignore us or place us off to the side.

He might use us to prove other points to all of Creation as a witness and they might not be complementary of our behavior.

Remember, good and evil have not been resolved in the same fashion sin has been settled at the Cross.

Also remember from the Garden,...man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and because of it we would surely die. More believers are separated from God by good and evil, than legalism. We easily confuse good and evil with obedient fellowship and sin. They aren't the same.

37 posted on 05/27/2014 2:23:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well, since we know that an angel, Lucifer fell from the grace of God, I don’t see how we are exempt.

I think we will be judged by our thoughts and actions at the end of our lives. It is difficult to see how it could be otherwise.

I do admit that without Christ’s sacrifice, all we do would be for naught.

But if we do nothing are we worthy of his sacrifice and thus his grace?

I think not. I believe those who claim otherwise make but a mockery of his existence.

However, to paraphrase Queen Elizabeth I, there is only one Jesus Christ. The rest is detail.


125 posted on 06/03/2014 10:00:13 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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