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To: ckilmer
St Paul’s most spectacular failure was in his serman on Mars Hill in Athens to Greek Epicureans and Stoics. Why? because he tried to fit his words into the the architecture of Greek Philosophical thinking. Which began with the premise. “Man is the measure of all things.”

By contrast—Jewish/Christian theology begins with the premise that God is the measure of all things.

The shorthand here is that that philsophy is man centered bottoms up reasoning whereas theology is God Centered top down reasoning. Confuse the two and there’s hell to pay.

You conveniently leave out Jesus and, in particular, the generally agreed on theology that He is both God and man. If you take Jesus as your man-measure you are also taking God as your measure — or do you disagree with Jesus's assertion of he who has seen me has seen the Father? (John 14:9)

53 posted on 05/25/2014 1:25:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You conveniently leave out Jesus and, in particular, the generally agreed on theology that He is both God and man.

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I believe that Jesus is both fully God and fully man.
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If you take Jesus as your man-measure you are also taking God as your measure
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I’ve seen this come up in many contexts. You want to resolve something here that doesn’t really resolve. Its a pardox of christianity. How can Jesus be both fully man and fully God. Indeed how can he have such distinct natures that they are unknown to each other or even work distinctly from each other.

Answer: Sheesh beets the living poop out of me. But if you try to make Jesus just a man as the Arians do or only God as the gnostics then you get something very different.

This really goes to the question is : Is God sovereign or does man have free will. Both are true but there is tension between them. Try to resolve it either way and there is hell to pay.

It is safe to say there is tension in the assertion that Jesus is fully God and fully man.

It may well be that that tension is the dynamic heart of Christianity.


60 posted on 05/25/2014 1:50:39 PM PDT by ckilmer
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