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The only thing I can base my belief on is plain scripture.

1 a: a state of surpassing or going beyond limits

2: undue or immoderate indulgence

You have chosen definition #2,>>>

It is the same thing to me.

when the Bible context specifies that going beyond ZERO ingesting of alcoholic beverage (wine or strong drink) is the degree beyond what the Holy Spirit does not permit >>>>>

That is your conclusion but I have read none of this in scripture.

But supposing you are right, would not Paul be wrong by telling the Deacons to not be given to much wine, meaning they could drink a little?

You need to remember that Jesus chose 12 unlearned and ignorant men to preach the gospel to the world.

They were only unlearned and ignorant in the minds of the highly educated professors of religion, plus they had what the professors did not have which is common sense.

You are coming up with words that I have never heard of to prove your point, telling me what the correct meaning is.

But what you do not think about is that maybe the Apostles did not even know the correct meaning of many words no more than people of today do.

I have no doubt you have heard the phrase ( I couldn’t care less )

Which means I do not care at all.

The younger generation has changed it to ( I could care less ) thinking they are saying the same thing but the meaning is the exact opposite.

But what they think they are saying is (I don`t care)

It is nothing but a play on words which does not impress me and probably no one else.

If it was your son, who was buried before his time, on his 27th birthday because of his high BAC causing his fatal accident, as mine was;

I am sorry you lost your son, I know exactly how it is, I lost mine when he was 22 in a motorcycle accident, he was sober and driving about 30 miles an hour according to witnesses which were his sister and brother in law and girlfriend.

He was killed by a deer jumping across the cycle, and no I do not hate deer, nothing is going to happen to any one against gods will which we know nothing about, but God does.

Paul also says that if our hope is in this life only we are most miserable of all men, God knows what he is doing and I do not believe any one is taken in an accident unless it is time for him or her to go.

We only know as much about it as God thought we should know, whether your Son or my son knew God or not only God knows.

But we may be surprised at what they know, just because we can not communicate with them does not mean that God can`t.

Has it occurred to you that maybe God took your son out of love? instead of what you suppose? could he have saved him from something much worse?

God bless you.

God knows what he is doing and I do not believe any one is taken in an accident unless it is time for him or her to go.

I would like you to help me get this straight:

(1) I had tried to convey in my post #14 that my son died and was buried before his time because of driving under the influence of alcohol.

Did I get that idea clearly across?

(2) I take your statement above to say that the time of his death was the one God had planned for him, and contrary to my opinion.

Does that correctly state your view?

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You need to remember that Jesus chose 12 unlearned and ignorant men to preach the gospel to the world.

Well, to help my memory, could you give me your estimate of how unlearned these apostles were? Let's say, by comparison with yourself or myself? My curiosity forces me to ask. And you might be willing to tell me where your estimate came from?

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