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To: editor-surveyor
The position you espouse is not new.

"And certain men came down from Judaea and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye cannot be saved." (Acts 15:1)

"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses." (15:5)

Peter withstood them without equivocation:

"Now therefore why make ye trial of God, that ye should put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they." (15:10-11)

Paul, harrassed and persecuted by those who held the same position as you, replied to them thusly:

"We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Gal. 2:15-16)

"For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God." (v. 19)

"And further I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought." (v. 21)

You're standing on false ground, my friend.

"So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now faith that is come, we are no longer under a tutor." (4:24-25)

And not only false, but dangerous ground:

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing.

Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Ye are severed from Christ, ye would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace.

For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love."
(5:2-6)

Heed Paul's solemn warning, and turn from teaching this false doctrine:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema." (Gal. 1:8-9)
39 posted on 05/21/2014 6:28:09 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

You know, you’re full of nonsense and ignorance. It isn’t even close to the totally scriptural position that I, the apostles, and Yeshua all espouse.

The specific issue there in acts 15 was the Pharisees pushing their own personal power trip, just as it is the case in every other instance.

It serves to prove my point. It is the false commandments of the pharisees that the apostles denounce, and the ignorant of scripture like yourself attempt to equate it with Torah.

Restoring Torah was Yeshua’s life work. Removing Judaism and instituting Torah.

The Pharisees and their Judaism were the “yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear.”

I don’t know how you can read the NT without coming to that understanding.

You’re creating false ground.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 7:10:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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