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To: daniel1212
Nothing in that verse in any way "rebels against the magesterium."

Unless the sole basis is because "you say so." Which by all appearances it is, and yet you were whining about "propoganda" earlier in the thread.

Typing out a bunch of words does not a substantive argument make. So keep waiting, because I don't see any point in responding to empty assertions with anything but the same. If you say "yip yip yip" the answer you can reasonably expect is "nop nop nop."

91 posted on 05/19/2014 3:03:12 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Nothing in that verse in any way "rebels against the magesterium."

Verse? There is not one verse, but what i am referring to is what ought to be common knowledge to those who are familiar with Scripture, while it is you who suppose a simply denial refutes what every gospel and the book of Acts reveals.

But since you seem to ignorant, or playing so, watch and learn.

Enter the Jewish magisterium:

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (Matthew 23:2-3)

Whom were over Israel, and "unto them were committed the oracles of God" (Rm. 3:2)

But whom the Lord reproved by Scripture as being supreme (as He also did to the devil: Mt. 4):

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Mark 7:9,13 )

And whom He defied:

And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. (Mark 3:2-5)

And whom the magisterium rejected as having no authority as an itinerant preacher:

We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is. (John 9:29)

And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things. (Mark 11:27-33)

Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, (Matthew 20:18)

And which magisterium the prophets of reproved:

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: (Matthew 23:34)

And the apostles also rebelled against:

But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. (Acts 4:19-20)

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:29)

Thus it is clear that the apostles and prophets and the Lord Jesus Christ were rebels against the magisterium, who presumed of themselves above that which was written, and thus were reproved by what was written.

But which you must and did deny, and which is to be expected, since it applies to the presumption of elitist Rome as well.

97 posted on 05/19/2014 8:20:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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