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"Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | July 07, 2008 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 05/15/2014 8:58:50 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

And ping to post 314.

Excellent as well!


321 posted on 05/18/2014 9:37:45 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

“Show me where I put down Catholics.”

Post #245


322 posted on 05/18/2014 10:07:35 AM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: NKP_Vet; metmom

I am presently working with a group of people doing a parish census for our pastor. We go door-to-door and as one might imagine, we have some very interesting experiences.

We have found that—as general rule—the responses we get when making contacts at the doors are almost always predictable:
. Catholics are happy to see us and like the chance to talk to us about things going on in the parish
. very few are atheists, but they seem to like telling us so
. Mormons are polite, but distant
, LDS ers can be discourteous
. Muslims prefer not to talk to us, even though they don’t seem to mind saying they are Muslim
. the “unchurched” are almost always “too busy” to talk to us
. Baptists are almost always polite and pleasant
. those who were baptized in the Catholic Church, but have left the Catholic Church are almost always the most rude and unpleasant

What we have experienced is just a matter of fact.


323 posted on 05/18/2014 10:21:42 AM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty

“those who were baptized in the Catholic Church, but have left the Catholic Church are almost always the most rude and unpleasant”

Politely look at them and say you’ll pray for them. They are experiencing a common phenomenon. It’s called Catholic guilt. The last thing they want to see is a devout Catholic that loves their faith.


324 posted on 05/18/2014 12:24:12 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

**Politely look at them and say you’ll pray for them. They are experiencing a common phenomenon. It’s called Catholic guilt. The last thing they want to see is a devout Catholic that loves their faith.**

So true.


325 posted on 05/18/2014 12:43:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Running On Empty
Mormons are polite, but distant
, LDS ers can be discourteous

Which is it? Mormons ARE The Church of the Latter Day Saints. So...are they polite or discourteous?

326 posted on 05/18/2014 12:46:32 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Running On Empty

Quite and interesting list. God bless you as you do this. What an undertaking!

We have a committee that puts together information about our parish, the latest bulletin, A Ministry Guide that is constantly updated, a little book of Catholic prayers and a loaf of homemade bread.

All new parishioners love this personal visit from our trio of home visitors. (Especially the homemade bread!)


327 posted on 05/18/2014 12:46:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oops
Quite an interesting list


328 posted on 05/18/2014 12:47:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Bump


329 posted on 05/18/2014 12:53:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Running On Empty; metmom

I had a disruption so didn’t actually complete my last post.

Anyway, see how it all works? We poor sinners have that human tendency to listen to the siren call of compartmentalizing our fellow human beings. We paste labels on them...never seeming to grasp that in doing so we put a label on ourselves.

Somehow we seem to (conveniently) forget that we are to see and serve all we meet as if we were seeing and serving the Lord himself. We fail to recognize Him, even though we know He said “Whatsoever you do.....” and as Peter would later write: “You must esteem the person of every man.” (1Peter2:17)

So, our group is finding that we are learning ways to talk with all we meet at their doors, and to give them a genuine respect and whenever and however we can, to be a moment of grace and encouragement to them, no matter what their profession of faith happens to be...because we can never really know them as they are before the Living God.
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“God addresses every individual by a name that no one else knows, as Scripture tells us ( Rev.2:17). God’s love for each individual is totally personal and includes this mystery of a uniqueness that cannot be divulged to other human beings.”
Pope Benedict XVI “Jesus of Nazareth”


330 posted on 05/18/2014 12:59:45 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: NKP_Vet

Ping


331 posted on 05/18/2014 1:02:35 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

You caught me! Thanks very much. I actually do know that they are the same :-)
Instead of LDS I had intended to write JWs.


332 posted on 05/18/2014 1:05:53 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: NKP_Vet

Actually, we do say that... but often, if the conversation is going the right way, we tell them that we would be so happy to welcome them home.


333 posted on 05/18/2014 1:08:58 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: Salvation

I’ll have to tell our pastor about this :-)


334 posted on 05/18/2014 1:35:59 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: NKP_Vet

“It’s called Catholic guilt.”

That brings to my memory of the time I was caring for my aging mother in my home and she was in home hospice. The visiting nurse could plainly see that she was in a Catholic home, so she made a few comments about leaving the Catholic Church because she was “tired of Catholic guilt”. (btw, that was pretty unprofessional of her)
After she had said this a couple of times, I told her:

“My mom is a Presbyterian, so I guess I can truthfully say that she has, for a long time, had Presbyterian Guilt; I went to a high school in an area where about 80% of the kids there were Jewish, and I saw that they talked about Jewish Guilt. So—there’s Presbyterian Guilt and Jewish Guilt and Catholic Guilt, when what we really are experiencing is the problem of humanity: Original Sin”


335 posted on 05/18/2014 1:50:18 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late"OH, you know how those Galatians are...they weren't always)
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To: daniel1212

Ouch!


336 posted on 05/18/2014 2:14:30 PM PDT by xone
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To: NKP_Vet; Salvation
The Gospels came after Christ died.

Yeah, the Catholic church is based on the Word of God. Now it really can't be if it came before that Word. I guess the words recorded in Scripture had to be approved as the Word of God, before it became the Gospel? Were not Christ's words Gospel when spoken? Did not Paul expound on the revelation he received from the Risen Christ the Gospel, the 'good news'?

337 posted on 05/18/2014 2:22:56 PM PDT by xone
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To: Springfield Reformer

Very nice post. Let him who has ears, hear.


338 posted on 05/18/2014 2:34:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Politely look at them and say you’ll pray for them. They are experiencing a common phenomenon. It’s called Catholic guilt. The last thing they want to see is a devout Catholic that loves their faith.”

I suggest you are misdiagnosing their malady.

In all likelihood, they were never spiritually born anew. Instead, they were confronted by a works-based hamster wheel. I do agree that there is mammoth guilt as the motivating force.

Coming back to the constant spin, without a personal saving faith in Christ, has no attraction.


339 posted on 05/18/2014 2:37:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: Running On Empty

Which has nothing to do with the religious affiliation of the poster involved but rather their character.


340 posted on 05/18/2014 2:44:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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