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To: blackpacific
blackpacific (Post #64): The consent comes through the parents and godparents. God honors the family, He honors their desire that their children be saved through the gift of Faith. It is the power of God that does this, through the Sacrament of Baptism which He established, and the sacrament of Matrimony which He established.

imardmd1 (Post #73): Adam and Eve and Cain were baptized?

blackpacific (Post #140): From what context does your question arise?

The context of your answer to Post #55 seems to say that one has faith to exercise only through married parents who get their infant children baptized.

In contrast, the implicit question is, 'What is the requirement to enter The God's Heaven?'

From the whole context of the Bible, salvation depends only on faith alone in the Savior alone, in the Messiah and Coming King.

So, reaching back to the first earthlings saved or not saved, was baptism required to receive the 'gift of faith' so that when it was exercised, Elohim would be required to impart salvation? There is no record that neither Adam, nor Eve, nor Cain were baptized, But were not Adam and Eve saved? And if so, upon what basis?

(Just a wandering thought on what situation water baptism was meant to address. I suspect it is only a ritual of induction for those who have already received the gift of salvation, of Eternal Life and fellowship with The God.)

150 posted on 05/14/2014 3:26:19 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Here are the thoughts of one of my favorite editors, he brings up the same points as you:

“At no time, not even before the coming of Christ, could men be saved unless they became members of Christ: because, as it is written (Acts 4:12), “there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.” But before Christ’s coming, men were incorporated in Christ by faith in His future coming: of which faith circumcision was the “seal,” as the Apostle calls it (Romans 4:11): whereas before circumcision was instituted, men were incorporated in Christ by “faith alone,” as Gregory says (Moral. iv), together with the offering of sacrifices, by means of which the Fathers of old made profession of their faith. Again, since Christ’s coming, men are incorporated in Christ by faith; according to Ephesians 3:17: “That Christ may dwell by faith in your hearts.” But faith in a thing already present is manifested by a sign different from that by which it was manifested when that thing was yet in the future: just as we use other parts of the verb, to signify the present, the past, and the future. Consequently although the sacrament itself of Baptism was not always necessary for salvation, yet faith, of which Baptism is the sacrament, was always necessary. “


159 posted on 05/14/2014 11:07:28 PM PDT by blackpacific
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