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To: blackpacific
So why not just let the child reach the age of reason and let them decide for himself?

Do you think God would punish an unbaptized baby if the parents chose not to have him baptized?

142 posted on 05/14/2014 7:25:34 AM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: bramps

The logical inference of you position is that baptism has no effect unless it is done after the age of reason. This isn’t our belief.

We believe baptism is a sacrament, and it has effects - good effects.

It’s not something that we believe a parent should chose not to do for their child. Or take a chance and wait until later.


144 posted on 05/14/2014 8:17:29 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: bramps

Another way to help understand is to realize that our Sacrament of Confirmation is in some ways parallel to your, I believe it is your, view of Baptism.


145 posted on 05/14/2014 8:48:13 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: bramps

We live in times where infant mortality is at an all time low. The Church’s attitude concerning the Sacrament of Baptism has been consistent:

“In this matter we must make a distinction and see whether those who are to be baptized are children or adults. For if they be children, Baptism should not be deferred. First, because in them we do not look for better instruction or fuller conversion. Secondly, because of the danger of death, for no other remedy is available for them besides the sacrament of Baptism.

On the other hand, adults have a remedy in the mere desire for Baptism, as stated above (Article 2). And therefore Baptism should not be conferred on adults as soon as they are converted, but it should be deferred until some fixed time. First, as a safeguard to the Church, lest she be deceived through baptizing those who come to her under false pretenses, according to 1 John 4:1: “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, if they be of God.” And those who approach Baptism are put to this test, when their faith and morals are subjected to proof for a space of time. Secondly, this is needful as being useful for those who are baptized; for they require a certain space of time in order to be fully instructed in the faith, and to be drilled in those things that pertain to the Christian mode of life. Thirdly, a certain reverence for the sacrament demands a delay whereby men are admitted to Baptism at the principal festivities, viz. of Easter and Pentecost, the result being that they receive the sacrament with greater devotion.

There are, however, two reasons for forgoing this delay. First, when those who are to be baptized appear to be perfectly instructed in the faith and ready for Baptism; thus, Philip baptized the Eunuch at once (Acts 8); and Peter, Cornelius and those who were with him (Acts 10). Secondly, by reason of sickness or some kind of danger of death. Wherefore Pope Leo says (Epist. xvi): “Those who are threatened by death, sickness, siege, persecution, or shipwreck, should be baptized at any time.” Yet if a man is forestalled by death, so as to have no time to receive the sacrament, while he awaits the season appointed by the Church, he is saved, yet “so as by fire,” as stated above (2, ad 2). Nevertheless he sins if he defer being baptized beyond the time appointed by the Church, except this be for an unavoidable cause and with the permission of the authorities of the Church. But even this sin, with his other sins, can be washed away by his subsequent contrition, which takes the place of Baptism, as stated above (Question 66, Article 11). “ a Friend of Christ


157 posted on 05/14/2014 11:00:38 PM PDT by blackpacific
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