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To: Gumdrop
A consecrated host is required for a Black Mass. Interesting that Satanists require a consecrated host. a plain, unconsecrated host is not sufficient. Now, if these Satanists do not believe in God or in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, why would they require a consecrated host for their desecration? By my calculation, they are indirectly acknowledging the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the host.

No "indirectly" about it; this is precisely what "satanists" believe. Satanism is in fact merely Catholicism inverted in that it shares all the beliefs of Catholicism but then roots for the other side.

Where satanism and chrstianity are both wrong is in their belief in some sort of "fallen angel adversary" of G-d who runs an "independent" kingdom of evil. While Satan as understood by Judaism most certainly exists, the "satan" of chrstianity (and of satanism) does not.

And yes, I am aware that this teaching is explicitly taught in the "new testament." However, it is not in the Hebrew Bible.

19 posted on 05/07/2014 4:53:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Although, per Christian theology, Satan certainly runs a kingdom of evil, populated by fallen angels, it is not independent. Satan needs permission from God to do anything. The idea of an independent kingdom of evil is a Manichean concept that was condemned as heresy by the Church long ago.


26 posted on 05/07/2014 5:45:56 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Is Isaiah not part of the Hebrew Bible?

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

27 posted on 05/07/2014 5:46:26 PM PDT by abishai (Hello Jane!!! I miss you.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Abishai showed the description of the "fallen angel" in the Old Testament. As for the "independent" kingdom of evil, just look at the book of Job. In it Satan keeps on getting permission to test job, but God places limits on how far Satan can go. I reckon it depends on the meaning of "independent:, doesn't it?

Can you show me how the Satan of Judaism differs from the Satan of Christianity? I would be very interested in learning that.

90 posted on 05/10/2014 12:00:29 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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