the way Jews perceive their “destiny” is irrelevant to the reality of their situation, which is the same as every other human being ( read: sinner )
unless you believe Jesus is the Messiah, sent from the Father, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN. ( John 8:22-30 )
Whether one accepts this or not doesn’t make it any less factual, just as if I don’t believe in gravity makes it any less factual.
Are you kidding? The way Jews "perceive" their destiny.. We're not playing word games here. We're talking about the ultimate, divine truth. Other than yourself no one has interjected the word "perceive" as some sort of delusional state of mind open to interpretation (by others, like yourself.)
Perceive
1.become aware or conscious of (something); come to realize or understand.
2. interpret or look on (someone or something) in a particular way; regard as.
You're free to define words in any way you desire, based on what you believe, want the result to be. But you're in absolutely no position to define the sense of steadfast faith, belief, of any group as if it were some parlor game.
Their unshakeable belief, faith in The God of Abraham, Isaac Jacob,is not any "perception" in the manner in which you so callously throw out but one that is resolute, indefatigable, unshakable, irrefutable.
...unless you believe Jesus is the Messiah, sent from the Father, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN.....
That is your prerogative to believe and espouse as you feel in your righteous indignation but is not necessarily universal by any mean in terms of humanity in a collective manner.
You are being extraordinarily presumptuous, misguided to make that statement regarding anyone but yourself.
...There is no universal consensus regarding what you espouse that unless you believe Jesus is the Messiah, sent from the Father, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN.....
Whether what you believe in is true or not does not change its factual complexion.
Gravity is not an area, subject in which one believes in or not, so your analogy has no bearing on your argument.
I would not venture to go as far as to make judgment, to question someone in their belief based on whatever beliefs apply to myself. I have a messiah complex of my own, I want to save the world but I always say first let me save myself before going out and trying to save the world or at least some.
I agree.
>>>unless you believe Jesus is the Messiah, sent from the Father, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN. ( John 8:22-30 )<<<
You excluded the context. Why did Jesus make that statement?
What about those who never met or heard of Jesus? Are you saying there are conditions attached to this commandment?
"These things I command you, that ye love one another." (John 17:17 KJV)
"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." (John 15:12 KJV)
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15 KJV)
Are you claiming that those who keep his commandments, out of the goodness within their hearts, will die in their sins if they never hear of Jesus before they die?
>>>Whether one accepts this or not doesn’t make it any less factual, just as if I don’t believe in gravity makes it any less factual.<<<
There is no doubt that Jesus is Lord and Creator. But he is also not vain. And why did you make that statement? Your opinions are hardly facts; and generally your opinion is all you write. If you would care to show us your reasoning by way of the scriptures, it would be helpful. Otherwise, you are merely expressing your opinion.
Philip
I reread my previous post to you (#82,) and I believe I came across as harsh. I didn’t intend it that way. When I debate, I like to dot every “i” and cross every “t.” Some of my most heated debates are with my friends whose interpretation of scripture is similar to mine.
Sorry,
Philip