I would not be so bold, if I were you, to refer to your posts as an "argument" in the strictly logical sense. This is more of an "argument" in the Monty Python sense. I'll demonstrate:
"Incorrect. It says that while God reaches down to all, not all will believe. However, those that do believe are those that God gives to Jesus, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. If we respond as Jesus commands repent and believe, then we are given to Christ and are placed in Christ...as it says,"
You are quoting me referencing the verse which says: "All that the Father giveth me will come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Nowhere does it "say," using your word, that God "reaches down to all" and "not all will believe." It only says what it says, that "all" that the Father gives to the Son do come to Him, and none of these are cast out. Where do we find your "some"? Where do we find your "if"? Where do we find your "Reaching out to all"? It cannot be found in the verses you assert claim them. But if you can find them in this chapter, I would be pleased to be corrected. But, they are simply not there.
Further, you state that "those the Father gives" are those who already believe. IOW, they believe, and therefore God gives them to the Son. Where is your evidence for this assertion? It is presupposed, but it is not sourced in the text. The Father is the first cause of the giving in these verses, and the direct cause for unbelief in the other verse referenced, and to "come" is tied with believing. Hence Christ states that there are those who do not believe, and then immediately explains, 'That is why I told you, no man can come to me unless it is given to Him by the Father.' Thus to "come" to Christ is another way of saying "to believe" in Christ, and all those whom the Father gives to the Son, therefore, believe in Christ, and this infallibly, with none of them being lost.
IN HIM. When we heard the word of truth (Gods initiative) and believed in him, we were given life by the baptism of the Holy Spirit:
The verse you cite does not support your assertion in any way. In what way do you come to the conclusion that God's initiative is fallible, when the very first verse you quote says "having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will"? Now if he "works all things," there is nothing which He does not work, and if He works all things 'according to the counsel of His own will,' it is not according to our will, but His will born from His own plan, that He works "all things". Now if God works "all things," but not the effectual gift of faith which keeps and preserves, then He does not "work all things," but only some things, and leaves much to the "counsel of OUR own will," which is certainly fallible.
But speaking of proof, feel free to show your proof that John 6 is discussing the election of individuals to salvation...
My first evidence is that you've been speaking of individuals this whole time, though you imagine stuff into the verse like "Some," and "if," and "revealed to all," but subtracting entire sentences like "All that the Father gives..." and "no one can come to me unless it is given to them by my Father." Nevertheless, you also know that individuals are being discussed, although you change the meaning.
My second evidence is that He says "Him that comes to me I will no wise cast out," and "Believe on Him whom God has sent," in response to individuals, and, finally, to the unbelieving Jews, He refers to individuals who do not believe, saying "there are some of you who do not believe," and explains 'That is why I told you, no one can come to me unless it is granted to him by my Father."
Thus Christ speaks to 'him' who would come, "whoever," "some of you," "no man," or "no one" as the ESV puts it, responds to individuals, and the individuals who did not believe, and not, say, to a collective without any "ones" or "hims" or "yous" in them.
“Nowhere does it “say,” using your word, that God “reaches down to all” and “not all will believe.” It only says what it says, that “all” that the Father gives to the Son do come to Him, and none of these are cast out. Where do we find your “some”? Where do we find your “if”?”
If you actually READ what I wrote, it was in immediate response to your statement “The Arminian view is impossible...”. While I was using John 6, I was also responding with what “The Arminian view” says in light of John 6. I do not know if Monty Python would approve, but it is reasonable to read one sentence in light of the sentence immediately before it.
Once one understand the Arminian view, then how that view applies to John 6 becomes apparent. The interpretation of those verses in John 6 depend largely on what one’s assumptions are about election and calling. The Calvinist assumes the truth of his position is shown by those verses in John 6, but someone of an Arminian viewpoint will read them differently.
The verse simply says “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Of course, Jesus says, a couple of sentences later, “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Thus we know what is the will of the Father: “that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life”. Calvin says that set of people consists of those whose name are on God’s List To Save, and that is the entrance requirement. I say that List is the List of Those Who Believe.
The verses in John 6 can support either interpretation. But since we are saved by grace through faith, rather than grace thru predestination, it seems reasonable that the list is the list of those who respond to God with faith rather than a list of names that God picked without reference to their faith. Indeed, my interpretation is in complete accord with the 500 verses on faith and believing in the New Testament, and require no belief in a “secret will of God”, not discussed in the Bible, that Calvin postulates and then uses to interpret the Bible.
“IOW, they believe, and therefore God gives them to the Son. Where is your evidence for this assertion? It is presupposed, but it is not sourced in the text.”
Neither does it say anywhere in John 6 that those are people who won God’s Life Lottery, when God pulled names out of a celestial hat and decided to save those individuals. The verses in John 6 can be interpreted either way. The difference is that Calvin relies on the “secret will of God”, not found in scripture, while my interpretation is in line with all the rest of the New Testament.
“Now if he “works all things,” there is nothing which He does not work, and if He works all things ‘according to the counsel of His own will,’ it is not according to our will, but His will born from His own plan,”
Part of the fallacy of Calvinism is the belief that God cannot, in His will, give humans ANY freedom. However, there is nothing to support that view. I can give my kids freedom of choice, or not. When riding a horse, I can say “Go left”, or I can let the horse choose. Either way, I am choosing - either a specific path, or to let the other being make a choice. If it is God’s will to present us with a choice, and treat us according to the choice we make, then it IS His will at work, not ours.
Calvin does not get to dictate to God how God must behave. Calvin does not get to tell God He MUST obey Calvin’s will! Calvin does not get to choose the plan of salvation. God already did that:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”
Jesus does not say, “...that whoever is on God’s List of Names shall not perish...and whoever is not on the List of Names is condemned already, because he is not on the List of Names”. JESUS told us what the Father’s will is: “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Calvin cannot change it. God is sovereign. Calvin is not.