Posted on 05/02/2014 12:28:06 AM PDT by GonzoII
Not according to God....
Could it have been because God opened his heart and eyes to recognize Christ as his savior? Would you not agree that if that were so, where he was (being crucified) is not a factor? He could have been called years later... or before.
The theif's crucifixion was a location; the salvation occurred when he believed. That's accomplished by God.
Hoss
Oh, you.... you.... you poorly catechized heretic you.
Don’t you know Rome’s revisionist history or something?
I believe God gives us free will...as clearly evidenced by those who choose to accept Him or those that choose to reject Him. Our choices may be informed by God, but in the end they are the individual's choice to make. Today, and throughout history, there are those that can be shown the clear evidence of God's hand at work in the world and throughout the universe, and yet, they actively and stubbornly deny Him. On Calvary, there were two thieves...one made a conscious decision to accept, and the other to deny. Christ made the exact same sacrifice on behalf of both of them, but it was their personal response to it as individuals that made all the difference.
Show me any Scripture anywhere that says there's a baptism of desire or a baptism of blood.
And a *good* thief? I'd accept *repentant* thief, but seeing as he's dying on a cross for his crimes, I doubt he was a *good* thief.
Wrong. It’s only the blood of Jesus that works as it’s only His blood that is untainted by sin.
We can’t even pay the penalty for our own sin and no, dying as a *martyr* will save exactly no one. If they are not in Christ through faith in Him, they will go to hell, no matter what they die for and how they die for it.
Salvation if by grace through faith in Christ.
Actually, that should probably read......
REAL history in general seems to be something of a weakness for you.
Instead of Catholic revisionist history that is supported by no one no where outside the Catholic church.
There's no confusion except to the religion that can't stand the verse as written...
Jesus is speaking to this guy, today...Not yesterday or tomorrow...Jesus didn't know the guy yesterday or last week and tomorrow the guy will be dead...
It would be flat out idiotic to claim that Jesus said, 'I tell you today'...Of course Jesus told him 'today' because today is the day Jesus is speaking...
What a desperate attempt to pervert the scriptures...
Dead people can't come back and communicate with the living.
What is appearing to people in the form of apparitions of dead relatives, etc, is demons.
Anyone who has visitations or apparitions is experiencing demonic activity.
Well, The Latin Vulgate was not the original Bible, it was a translation. I’m just not able to wrap my mind around believing that there was no Bible before the Latin Vulgate when there clearly was, otherwise Jerome would have had nothing to translate and wouldn’t have balked at including the Apocrypha as he did, for the same reasons that later Protestants balked at their inclusion.
Nothing is too far fetched for someone who wants to deny Scripture.
“It has a name... Sheole; Paradise”
I always wondered about that verse where Jesus tells the thief “Today you will be with me in Paradise.”
I always figured “paradise” meant heaven. But that doesn’t make sense as Jesus wasn’t going to heaven that day! But then according to the creed, where “Jesus descended into Hell...” - well I’m pretty sure THAT isn’t paradise either!
But the idea that paradise is sheole - or purgatory, and that Jesus passed through that - “today” and set them free - that would seem to make sense. Thanks!
Yes. Stay tuned.
Now the bible doesn't say this life or the life to come, does it??? So why would you quote someone who perverts the scriptures??? It doesn't say 'life' and it doesn't mean 'life'...
You probably skipped over it but you had the opportunity to read a bunch of simple, easy to understand scripture that clearly refutes any type of purgatory...
So you haven't been washed in the blood of the Lamb??? Or maybe he didn't get behind your ears???
Just shows what some religions think of the word of God...
And in what Century did your religion invent that idea that the thief had those baptisms??? Jesus had not even died yet let alone been resurrected...No one knew of the shed blood of Jesus Christ and Jesus wasn't preaching about the necessity of water baptism while he was gasping for breath on the Cross...
No, there was no baptism for the thief...The thief went to Paradise, that day, because of the act of 'believing'...That's it...
So all those Catholics that were murdered during the Reformation had no sin and went straight to heaven. You’re smarter than I thought.
Oh brother...No...It's not the shed blood of Catholics that gets them to heaven...It's the shed blood of Jesus that gets people to heaven...
Padre Pio should have run the other way when he saw those things coming up out of the ground...
“Show me any Scripture anywhere that says there’s a baptism of desire or a baptism of blood”
Show me in the Bible where the word Bible is used. Show me in the Bible where the word Trinity is found.
So in the Bible must not be “scriptural” and the Holy Trinity is not scriptural.
Why say you!!
And why do protestants ignore Jesus’ command to go out in the world and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19
Just cant understand why some deny scripture. Before the Reformation and Luther’s attempted demolition of the Catholic Church, every Christian alive believed in purgatory. Jews certainly believe it, but shucks, we all know pentacostals and other Sunday come lately protestants know more about the Word of God than Jews who are God’s chosen people and have been around a lot longer than any Christian and Catholics that have been around for some 2,000 years.
This seems so simple. Its common sense. Scripture is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]... are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong...” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.
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