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To: jimmyray
You're forgetting, I think, about Primary Cause and secondary causes. God made everything; He made Adam out of dirt; He made Eve out of Adam; He made you out of natural conception. He is the Primary Cause, and everything else He makes provision for (or permits) through secondary causes.

You may be forgetting, also, about the difference between God's ordaining will and His permissive will. He ordained that we should have the choice between right and wrong. He permits that to result in some wrong choices, but He did not ordain them.

63 posted on 04/29/2014 4:45:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ...against the wickedness and snares of the devil.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I agree with both your points. However, God granted to Adam the responsibility to "be fruitful and multiply", and it is as a result of Adam's and Eve's activities that their children were conceived, and born, into sin.

If God made me directly, he made me sinful. I was in Adam when he sinned, thus I am sinful in that, and by my own actions. Only the blood of Christ redeems me, and I now have the right to be called a son of God. Before, I was a child of the devil, under wrath, and destined for gehenna.

74 posted on 04/29/2014 5:20:25 PM PDT by jimmyray
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