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To: Springfield Reformer
Caner was at Liberty when I got my law degree there. The big ruckus then, IIRC, was him making open ridicule of the Calvinists on campus. Had something to do with a debate with James White, I think. A conflict over tape rights. Don’t ask for details. I’ve forgotten most of it.

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Ergun Caner delivered a sermon a few years ago called "Why I am Predestined Not to be a Hyper-Calvinist." However, many Reformed folk thought the sermon would have been more aptly titled "Why I am Not Predestined to Represent the Side I am Critiquing Accurately." In this episode of Radio Free Geneva, James White deals with the many straw men and mischaracterizations that Ergun Caner promoted during this sermon and rectifies them. This episode is especially helpful because many of the arguments Caner brought up are many of the same that are brought up regularly by opponents of the doctrines of grace.
-- from the thread Ergun Caner vs. James White on Calvinism (Radio Free Geneva)

Dr. Caner both hates and misrepresents historic Calvinism. He is concerned with the undeniable resurgence of evangelical Calvinism among Baptists. I can certainly understand that and have no quarrel with his desire to debate renounce it. I do regret, however, that he consistently handles the historical data so poorly. He can call himself a "Sandy-Creeker," but at some point he must deal with the abundant evidence that within the Sandy Creek, Separate Baptist tradition there is a significant regard for Calvinistic doctrines. Even his mentor, Dr. Paige Patterson, publicly acknowledged this fact in the dialogue he held with Dr. Mohler at the 2006 Southern Baptist Pastors' Conference.
-- from the thread New name, same historical revisionism [Liberty Theological Seminary, SBC]


3 posted on 04/28/2014 11:49:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

The Caners were pushed to prominence by an SBC leadership that loves a good story and is desperately afraid of appearing “racist” or not “nice”. Unfortunately, the same leadership isn’t careful about facts and has trouble locating both their brains and their testicles.

Ergun Caner’s brother, Emir, is smart and, in every situation I’ve seen him in, effective as a leader. It’s unfortunate that the SBC lacks courage and discernment. They could have avoided this problem if they had paid attention to the individuals and not the alleged story. In that case, Emir would have risen (as he has), and Ergun would have remained in relative obscurity - or at least wouldn’t have been handed positions and influence by the leadership he didn’t deserve.

The SBC is, in any event, headed rapidly toward becoming the next UMC or PCUSA.


4 posted on 04/28/2014 12:42:26 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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