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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Well, Christ gave the Church the power to forgive sins and to retain them, to bind and to loose, and went so far as to ordain teachers:

1 Corinthians 12:28
"And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues."
Not all, but only some:

1 Corinthians 12:29
"Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?"
and to endow those teachers with His authority:

Luke 10:16
‘Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.’

So these things you call "made up" flow from the mandate Christ gave to His Church. Not Biblical? Of course they're Biblical -- in this sense: they come from the reality of the Church doing what it needs to to doing order to teach, govern, and sanctify.

The Church is not a fly trapped in amber, fossilized and inert for centuries. The Church, springing from that mustard-seed of faith, becomes the largest of garden plants, where even the birds can come and nest.

31 posted on 04/28/2014 2:55:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy she is, the more Catholic she is.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o,

Because of my respect and appreciate for you, I will not take your post apart, verse by verse.

I will simply say that on every point I find the Scriptures are not saying what you wrote. Ironically, there are different reasons for each point.

In any case, what you are arguing is that the Church can teach whatever it wishes, without the restrictions of God’s revelation, because it is the church. This is a false argument.

In this instance, the Roman Church invented a process to create a new super-Christian title that is foreign to Scripture. It perverts the simplicity of what God inspired and revealed and consequently, diminishes His revelation of EVERY believer’s position in Christ. It clouds the understanding of the members of the Body of Christ who may be included in the Roman Church.

For these reasons and others, it is a man-made religious ladder of works that is to be rejected.

kindest regards.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 3:06:47 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Luke 10:16
‘Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.’

So these things you call "made up" flow from the mandate Christ gave to His Church. Not Biblical? Of course they're Biblical -- in this sense: they come from the reality of the Church doing what it needs to to doing order to teach, govern, and sanctify.

Just because they are in the bible doesn't make them biblical...

Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Is there anyone in your religion who has the power to tread on scorpians and serpents without injury??? How about do your clergy have all power over all the power of the enemy??? I certainly hope you said no...

In which case it is abundantly clear that these verses don't apply to you, your religion or anyone you know...

34 posted on 04/28/2014 3:19:37 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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