Posted on 04/27/2014 3:47:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
With it so much in the news right now that the Catholic Church is making two former Popes "saints." shouldn't Bible-believing Christians, and those in leadership in particular, be pointing out the Bible truth on who is a saint is? The media won't do this themselves, and the Catholic use of "saint" has caused a lot of ignorance on this most important matter.
I remind you of national tragedy and you get petty. School in the summertime . . .
I have never heard any Catholic HERE AT FR, proselytize in that manner....I do hear the Protestants HERE proselytize in a similar manner.
as a student for 10 years in Catholic parochial school, I have heard what you speak of, with the caveat that if you do not know this so called ‘truth’, you are exempt and will go to heaven anyway. which to me means if you don't believe this so called ‘truth’, you are golden.
I don't buy this tenant of the Church, but it is not as cut and dry as you make it.
so, you agreed with what I said and then called me wrong???
umm...
If she would only take the same approach to the Scriptures ...
The Catholic Church doesn't "make" anyone a saint a book part of the canon, she only recognizes what God has done, testifies to it, and celebrates it.
The feast or Solemnity of All Saints is November 1st.
All Hallows’ (Saints’) Eve is October 31st.
All Saints Day is a celebration of those who have entered into eternal happiness in Heaven, whether or not they have been recognized formally by the Church on earth.
The fact that there are such people is clear in Scripture, above all in the Book of Revelation, where such people are seen offering prayers to God.
“Like the Catholics who tell us that we’re going to hell for not being Catholic “
Which Catholic told you that? It is not in the Catholic Catechism. Did you make that one up?
” people have to eat Jesus to be saved,”....
Where did that come from? It sounds like a mockery of the actual words of our Savior, Jesus Christ. The gospel of John, the Evangelist, does have something to say about this subject however. It is the basis of Catholic and Orthodox belief in the Holy Eucharist. It comes straight from John’s gospel, chapter 6.
Is it not a reasonable inference that "all his" may very well include small children?
Acts 2:38-39: And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
For the promise is for your children too. And if you must first be saved before being baptised, as Protestants claim, what profits you baptism in the least? The work of salvation is already done.
PS Where does it say *adults only*?
The passage in Acts is cited previously in the thread.
Now... Your particular strain of Protestantism might not accept anything in Acts because it was from a time where there was a Church but before there was a New Testament... But it is very clear that ‘whole houses’ were baptized.
I guess that's a normal reaction...But being killed by the muzlims is not the worst that can happen...It's what happens after they kill you is what's important....Seems you ought to have a little concern about that as well...
That's right...Did that girl go to heaven or hell??? That's what's important...We're doing our best to get out the information to people who, when they die will end up with the Lord...And you want to mock us for that???
By "getting the information out" you appear to mean "trash the Catholic Church and everything it teaches/stands for/believes at every possible opportunity." We aren't going to take kindly to that type of "getting of the info out," predictably.
Its all a matter of perspective, eh?
....Or rather that God inspires people to write down through the power of the Holy Spirit.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (1302): "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
— Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) "If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html
Allowances are made for those who do not know, either through zero exposure, invincible ignorance, etc.
Having read the Bible through multiple times, Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, in multiple versions, I’m not sure what exactly they could say about it. All Christians, by God’s grace, are saints now, and eventually will be fully so, in this world or the next. No argument on that. But there’s nothing about that that rules out saying these folks over here, just as much by God’s grace, are saints par excellence. I personally have no problem saying there have been and are men and women better at serving the Lord than myself. Considering how I’ve lived my life at times, I’d certainly hope so.
>>>All Christians, by God’s grace, are saints now, and eventually will be fully so, in this world or the next.<<<
I have never read that every Christian is, or will be, a saint. Where can I find that in the scriptures?
Thanks,
Philip
No perspective at all...We are Bible Christians, alone...Your religion is a little tiny bit of bible with a whole lot of customs created over the Centuries that don't line up with the Bible...
You guys don't like to admit that but pretend your religion is the religion of the Bible when that couldn't be further from the truth...
You are making that up...The bible says nothing in Acts or anywhere else that babies are baptized...
If my household got baptized (again), no babies would be baptized...
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