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To: delchiante
Well, foremost delchiante, I admire your determination and study - I know of but a handful of Christians of any stripe that are willing to perform such a study as this. Whether I might disagree or not, I do know the zealousness that drives such a work, having to run constantly to the contrary of every_thing taught by men in order to find the truth. It is written that YHWH rewards those who seek him diligently.

And I also know what it is like to worship and practice alone - The road less traveled comes with loneliness and persecution. It is hard to do at all, and extremely hard to sustain.

But you and I are not that far off - As it concerns the moedim, we agree already - Since they are moon-based, they would not change in your way or mine.

It is the resetting of the week/day that is in contention - And in that, I remain in disagreement. It is my nature to look not at the proofs, but rather at the errata, as a thousand proofs are destroyed by a single error - What cannot be, cannot be.

Off-hand, if you are correct, then you are left with the same problem at Passover as the Catlicks - Three days and three nights cannot be present from Preparation Day to First Fruits, because the Passover feast and the first day of Unleavened Bread would occur coexistent with the Full Moon Sabbath of the 15th. Ergo a 6th day (Friday) crucifixion, a Sabbath rest (Saturday), and a resurrection some time before the (Sunday) morning sacrifice. That is necessarily a serious problem, as the primary proof by which Yeshua declares he is Messiah must be ignored.

And incidentally, my initial remarks wrt the High Priest's Temple functions could not happen accordingly either (I was wrong in that - the shadow-picture would be lost).

Also, I am loathe to change the days - ALL of the calendars are unsure... All have been corrupted. But the days (and therefore the weeks) remain. If they cannot be counted, then ALL proofs based upon history are brought into question. Now, I know the days, the physical evenings and mornings are still there, But A LOT of things can be counted by counting Sabbaths (weeks), which also coincide with Jubilees (which are an expansion of 'weeks' in calculating years) - I am not sure how your approach effects those things (Daniel's prophecy of weeks comes to mind) - It is a caution.

But, I cannot make that a deal-killer, because only truth is truth, as it turns out - And it does make for an interesting exercise, and something I will retain for comparative studies. As I said, I am interested in it because it allows one to determine Sabbath days at any given time. I think that YHWH would have a way to make that evident.

And it MATTERS. I live in Montana, and I have had more than one occasion wherein I was in the backwoods for an extended period, and I can tell you that one can very easily forget which day it is once one is unplugged for an extended time. I can liken that to end-times events - If SHTF, I know that I can survive by walking off into the forest, for any amount of time - But the keeping of time will be very problematic.

290 posted on 04/21/2014 2:53:30 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

It is a narrower path each day!
Study, even, if we fall flat on our faces, to show ourselves approved, yes!

And Montana would be a very nice place to hold up!

and as long as we can look up and know our redemption draws neigh, we can handle what comes..

I fought with three days and three nights for a very long time until I realized it wasn’t literal (it couldn’t be after studying the feasts), but a parable..

That parable was a deep one with both spiritual and literal parallels.

There was obviously the literal. story of Jonah,but the prayer struck me in Jonah.

And without seeing the Hebrew words, I would have just passed over it..but with a little concordance, I was able to see a parallel to ‘where’ Messiah was preparing to go..

-being cast out from Heavenly Father’s eyes( don’t have the exact verse)
-being cast into the ‘heart’ of the seas(some translations say midst or middle butnita is the same definition).
It wasn’t talking about a middle, but the mind, inner person, seed of emotion and thought- same word used by Messiah for heart of the earth- not the middle at all- a spiritual void, not a physical space)

-feeling forsaken, in a deep hole with no hope..

And the ‘heart’ word used in Genesis 6 when he mentions the wickendess was great in the ‘earth’ and his ‘heart’ was evil continually, has the same definition even though it is a slightly different word.
Never a literal thing or place..

It does say Jonah was literally three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, but he was three days and three nights ‘spiritually’ separated and away from God too.. and that prayer shows it..

As I type, I am searching for a verse...
Found it,
Messiah mentions in John 8.
Starting in verse 26.

He is speaking about being sent by His Heavenly Father. Verse 29 was the one I focus on
29. And He that sent Me is WITH ME. HE HAS NOT LEFT ME ALONE; for I do always the things that are pleasing to him.

He supped with His disciples (13th)
That was the night he was betrayed and became sin- righteousness left Him and He was for the first time ever, ‘left alone’ by His Heavenly Father and literally and spiritually ‘swallowed up’ by man (who’s hearts/thoughts are evil continuously).

The man who knew no sin, was no longer in the Heavenly Father’s loving hands and protection and that was so for three days and three nights.
That 13th night He was captured, beaten, etc
The 14th day, He was killed. Layed in tomb.
The 15th day and night, laid in the tomb.
16th day, out of the tomb-( His body saw no corruption- just as the prayer in Jonah mentions - the word for ‘pit’ is means corruption..
Maybe in a tighter layout..
Night 1- 13th
Day 1/night 2- 14th- prep and passover- slain, placed in tomb.
Day 2/night 3- 15th- feast unleavened bread- in tomb
Day3- 16 .. raised - first fruits..- out of the tomb
Three days and three nights in the ‘heart’ of the earth,which is place of sin continuously.

I readily admit I once thought He literally had to be in the tomb for three days and three nights and by gosh, I was going to figure it out- WHOOPs

The parable was His way of talking to us... I think I ‘get’ this one now..

Like Jonah, for three days and three nights literal, He was cast out before His Heavenly Father so He could be our substitute. But not in the tomb.. He was cast out from His Heavenly Father a full day before He was ever in then tomb.
And we are separated from our Heavenly Father without Him..

And He is never to be separated from His heavenly Father ever again.. And neither do we have to be..
It is finished!

We know Jonah’s message was accepted by Ninevah and they repented and was saved.

And we know what happened to Jerusalem when a greater than Jonah came.

The ‘sign of Jonah’ was in part the physical destruction of jerusalam in 70 AD, 40 years after Messiah came and gave the same message Jonah gave to Ninevah- repent and believe..

It took me awhile to get over the literal three and three , but I am now not at all concerned about Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, death burial, tomb.
I actually think the churches got this one right with the ‘on the third day’ and boy didn’t try to find it wrong or faulty!

I just disagree on their ‘days’ of the week now :)


291 posted on 04/21/2014 6:45:13 PM PDT by delchiante
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